[arin-ppml] IP Address Policy
SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Wed Aug 8 23:40:23 EDT 2012
Well John I didn’t see you be fully transparent with the Microsoft/Nortel agreement which I believe you haven’t shared with this community yet, so it seems that you can choose not to share if you don’t want to for any reason – and that of course is your right. I believe I saw a mention of a change the board made without this community’s input which of course y’all have every right to do also. Just saying that you are either obligated 100% or you are not. If not then you can fix this if you want to without community involvement - just saying. I’m not against community involvement which is why I brought this issue to the community in the first place. As you have seen I have twice today asked for community members to give their comments and have had several off list emails sent to me as well. Hopefully a lot more comments will be submitted as well.
This policy does not align with your mission and as such needs to be modified or removed and IPv4 addresses need to be reasonably allocated. I appreciate you bringing this up with the board as they should address this issue. ARIN should not be in the business of unreasonably denying IP allocation requests and that is what has happened here. I hope you see fit to resolve this problem for us and others.
Steven L Ryerse
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From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:03 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: ARIN PPML (ppml at arin.net) (ppml at arin.net)
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Policy
On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:19 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com<mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>> wrote:
What is reasonable is for you to go to your staff and have them reopen my request #20120801-X7252 and have them allocate us the /22 IP v4 block requested. Simple. You definitely do have the power as President & CEO to do that if you decide to.
Not quite correct, as I am obligated (and honored) to follow the policies that
have been adopted by the ARIN Board of Trustees.
Policies that originate from this community still have to be voted on and
approved by you and your board of directors
The particular policy language that you do not qualify under is in ARIN's
Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM), Section 188.8.131.52
(Initial Allocation to ISPs - Multihomed) -
"When requesting a /22, demonstrate the efficient utilization of a minimum
contiguous or noncontiguous /23 (two /24s) from an upstream."
This policy language in question was adopted by the Board of Trustees
on 29 September 2004, in the first enumerated version of the NRPM.
That vote is what puts those policies in force and since you and your board
of directors have the power to both approve, change, and remove policies
without input from this community - you can do so here if you want to.
Actually, the Board is fairly rigorous about such changes, and follows the
ARIN Policy Development Process which I referenced earlier. This provides
that any policy changes are fully discussed by the community in open and
In fact you have a fiduciary duty to do just that if any policy currently
in force is determined to be contrary to your mission, regardless of
what this community thinks.
Indeed. The Board of Trustees must be the judge of our performance
in compliance of our mission, and they adopted the policies in question.
This is a clear case where the policy is contrary to your mission,
therefore you should take the appropriate steps to rectify that ASAP.
I will note this discussion to the ARIN Board of Trustees, but they are
quite unlikely to overturn existing policy without a compelling mandate
from the community.
I’m not going away. As I said in my first post we have to have these
resources one way or the other TO STAY IN BUSINESS. I prefer ARIN
allocate them to us per my request through normal channels. If that
request ultimately fails I will be forced to go off-channel and fulfill my
request with a Legacy block that ARIN does not have an agreement on.
Unfortunately those are my only two choices. If I’m forced to go that
route then I will of course come back to your web site and make a request
for ARIN to update your database to show our new assignment of additional
Legacy addresses. Requesting that from ARIN is the right and proper thing
to do since I don’t want to hide anything or lie to ARIN in any way.
As I noted earlier, we have a specified transfer policy for just such occasions,
and will promptly process any valid transfer request that you submit.
John, the choice is yours, you can fulfill your mission and allocate resources
or you can force us to go elsewhere. I would appreciate it if you would
approve our allocation request.
ARIN can't approve a request which is invalid per adopted policy; I actually
do not get any choice in this matter. I do wish you best in whatever course
of action you choose.
President and CEO
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