[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment - intent to revise

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Thu Aug 16 23:59:37 EDT 2012


Jimmy

Whois data is largely in error. Anyone saying safety is a basis for the
directory is in error.

The black hat analogues are a bit off as well. A name is not enough. It's a
start, but users don't safeguard their privacy anywhere generally.

Best,

Marty

On Thursday, August 16, 2012, Jimmy Hess wrote:

> On 8/16/12, Chu, Yi [NTK] <Yi.Chu at sprint.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> [snip]
> > As for the BULL, one can argue that banks do not have to put a sign
> telling
> > where the vault is or the keys to the vault are on the front door either.
> > But I guess all analogy is just analogy.
>
> The difference, with WHOIS contact information, there is a safety
> consideration, with regards to the public's ability to identify you
> and reach technical contacts for your network, to correct problems or
> put a stop to abuse.
>
> Just because you want your bank to  be secure,  does not mean you may
> remove all EXIT signs and post your guards at the main entrance.
>
> If you are suggesting that WHOIS is a go-to resource for would-be
> network intruders, I would say that's just totally  naive...    when a
> simple DNS lookup  finds the website, a simple DNS scan for
> interesting names finds other hosts,  and then there are public copies
> of the internet routing table readily available to determine what
> prefix is announced.
>
> Your typical network intrusion starts with an insider visiting a
> malicious website, or being the target of a social engineering attack.
>
> The actual significant rsk I see WHOIS could in theory pose here,   is
>  it can sometimes provide the real name and e-mail address of a
> person,  whom a black hat /might/  be able to  impersonate,   the
> hacker might be able to  fool another person in the organization into
> divulging their password over the phone,  by  using caller id spoofing
> and pretending to be the person listed in WHOIS....
>
>
> --
> -JH
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