[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment

[Steven Ryerse]

Yes you bring up a good point.  I was trying to see if anyone in the community had an idea to find some middle ground to his reasonable request for security.  Maybe there isn't a middle ground on this one.  Of course ARIN could decide to allow any Legacy holder to update their information in the ARIN database without having to sign any agreement with ARIN.  

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-----Original Message-----
From: Christoph Blecker [mailto:cblecker at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:36 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
> I have to say I agree with William.  Is there not a way that access to this database can be limited to ARIN membership?  This won't fully satisfy his request for security which is reasonable, but maybe it reduces his security issue and at the same time provides members with the ability to find out who really is assigned a block.

As somebody who has advocated for the rights of legacy registration holders, would this not introduce a disparity between these holders and those who have signed an RSA/LRSA and those who have not?
Membership to ARIN requires a signed RSA/LRSA, as well as potentially a membership fee if you are not an allocation holder. How would you also account for other groups that would have reason to access this information, such as law enforcement?

Cheers,
Christoph

>
> Steven L Ryerse
> President
> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA  30338
> 770.656.1460 - Cell
> 770.399.9099 - Office
> 770.392-0076 - Fax
>
> ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.
>                      Conquering Complex Networks℠
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] 
> On Behalf Of William Herrin
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:50 AM
> To: ARIN
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-180 ISP Private Reassignment
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:32 AM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>> ARIN-prop-180  ISP Private Reassignment
>>
>>    7. Policy statement:
>>                 NRPM 4.2.3.7.1.1 and 6.5.5.1.1 ISP private reassignment
>>                 ISP has the option to register a reassignment as 
>> private.  A private reassignment is not visible on the public whois 
>> database.  Private reassignment is used in calculation of ISP 
>> utilization.  By register a reassignment as private, the ISP takes 
>> responsibility as POC by means of the direct allocation (parent of 
>> the reassigned address block) from ARIN that is publically registered in the whois database.
>
> Opposed. This has the effect of removing all public accountability for the ARIN-region consumers of IP addresses. It makes our reliance on ARIN absolute and, without public scrutiny, the community is placed in a position where it will have to demand ARIN engage in much more expensive auditing practices to assure ISPs with private whois entries are not cheating.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
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