[arin-ppml] IP Address Policy
SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Wed Aug 8 23:50:15 EDT 2012
You can mince words but unless you can tell me what other organization I can go to get vendor independent IP addresses assigned for North America then ARIN is indeed a monopoly. The phone analogy portion that applies to this discussion is the monopoly portion of my comments. The phone company has a monopoly and ARIN has a monopoly. Because of this they have certain obligations. Since ARIN sometimes decides to not share everything they do with this community, like the Microsoft/Nortel agreement they chose not to share with us, then obviously they do have the authority to make decisions without the approval of this community - as they should as an independent corporation. I applaud their willingness to listen to the community and this is one member of the community who is pointing out a policy that is contrary to their mission and they should fix it for all of us. Also this community plus a lot of other Internet users in North America is essentially the customers of ARIN. Any organization worth their salt will work with their "customers" to help solve business problems and not let a silly policy get in the way of conducting business. That is what I am asking for here. ARIN has to decide whether they want to help this "customer" and other like us.
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From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jimmy Hess
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:59 PM
To: David Miller
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Policy
On 8/8/12, David Miller <dmiller at tiggee.com> wrote:
> On 8/8/2012 9:05 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
>> mission is to allocate resources and NOT to deny resources. Because
>> they are a monopoly, the phone company cannot deny me another phone
>> line just because the folks who already have phones in my community
>> don’t want me to have one or another one.
> Phone lines are not a limited resource. Internet addresses are a
> limited resource, thus their management is distinctly different from
Phone lines are not a resource with a specific numerical limit. There is only a question of how much money are you willing to spend to have additional phone lines built.
Phone NUMBERs are a limited resource.
You can buy as many phone lines as you want, there is a significant cost associated, with the purchase of a phone line. You cannot just go to a phone company, and get as many phone numbers as you want for free, regardless of your claimed need, but you can generally get 1 at least phone number for each phone line you buy.
Phone numbers are a poor comparison, because ARIN doesn't sell IP connectivity that the IP addresses you are assigned are used with.
ARIN administers the database and stewardship of the resources assigned to it according to community policies; ARIN doesn't sell
resources, and they don't have a "monopoly" over IP addreses. On
your private LAN which is not internet connected and not interoperable with the internet as defined by community defined technical and policy standards, you are free to use any IP address you want, and establish whatever registration conventions you like.
It would be correct to say that ARIN is the exclusive public provider of registration service for numbers that were allocated by IANA to the ARIN region recognized by those networks who cooperate with the IETF RFC-defined internet.
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