[arin-ppml] 2011-1 dissent Was: Re: ARIN-2011-1: ARINInter-RIRTransfers - Last Call

Michael Sinatra michael+ppml at burnttofu.net
Tue Oct 25 15:49:43 EDT 2011

On 10/25/11 10:02 AM, John Curran wrote:
> On Oct 25, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Randy Whitney wrote:
>> On 10/25/2011 12:24 PM, John Curran wrote:
>>>   Note - another option (if the community is concerned about ARIN's
>>>   free pool being depleted for future xfers) would be to simply
>>>   disqualify all space issued henceforth from ARIN's available pool
>>>   from future specified transfer until the ARIN has no free space
>>>   remaining.  This is an imperfect control (due to the ability with
>>>   some effort to swap out older assignments) but might be sufficient
>>>   under the circumstances.
>>> FYI,
>>> /John
>> I oppose this new wording. I can think of just as many hypothetical
>> opposite cases where this would cause future problems as those in the
>> vocal tiny protectionist minority against adopting the transfer policy
>> in the first place would, in support of this wording.
> Understood.
> To be clear, I definitely was not recommending such a change, but only
> pointing it out as a potential mechanism that had not had any discussion
> to date.  The need for _any_ additional controls is clearly still a matter
> of active discussion by the community.

Part of the problem is that there are too many distortions caused by the 
uneven run-out in the various regions.  I see this discussion as an 
attempt to ensure that we are affixing the doily on the rump of IPv4 in 
the most precise manner possible.  There is a limit to the extent that 
policy tweaking can do that, as the current market distortion is 

A major way to reduce the current distortion, while continuing to 
provide IPv4 space to those who need it, is to liberalize (contra Mike 
Burns) the allocation policy from the free pool and make it consistent 
with the transfer policy.  ARIN currently has the largest free pool, and 
as long as that's the case, we will have to sit here and wring our hands 
about the last few bits of IPv4 trickling to another region while we 
shoot legitimate ISPs in the foot by making them request IPv4 space in 
three-month chunks.  I'd be all for removing this text from NRPM

"When ARIN receives its last /8, by IANA implementing section, 
the length of supply that an organization may request will be reduced. 
An organization may choose to request up to a 3-month supply of IP 

I continue to support 2011-1, as I did in Philadelphia, and I support 
making the needs polices consistent, transfer-vs-free-pool.


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