[arin-ppml] 2011-1 dissent Was: Re: ARIN-2011-1:ARINInter-RIRTransfers - Last Call

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Mon Oct 24 19:10:48 EDT 2011

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On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:57 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com> wrote:
>> How many times could you rinse/repeat this cycle before the activity became
>> so evident that ARIN refused to authorize the transfer, and instead
>> attempted reclamation due to fraud?
> Hi Mike,
> As many as you want until the Board adopts a policy which declares
> defines such use illegitimate. If the policy says it isn't fraud then
> it isn't fraud no matter how egregious. ARIN simply isn't allowed to
> make it up as they go; they're bound by the policies. One problem with
> 2011-1 as presently drafted is that it takes some dubious activities
> that current policy defines as "not fraud" and creates an only
> moderately circuitous path to easy cash.
That's why this draft policy has a safety valve permitting staff to make it up as they go along to the extent that they can reject the transfer such that the entity in question suddenly can't get paid.

>> I agree that protections against fraud in obtaining addresses from the free
>> pool will become increasingly important, and if there was some work in the
>> past related to detecting related-legal-entities, it would be prudent to
>> revisit that subject.
> I'll take counterpoint: protections will become unimportant relatively
> quickly because we're nearly out of addresses in the ARIN free pool
> too. Nevertheless, we need some protections _until_ events render
> matter moot.

The fewer the protections, the sooner it will be moot. ;)

Seriously, though, I think that the RIRs agree provision provides the best avenue of protection possible in this case.

>> Bill, what would you think about preventing those who receive addresses from
>> the free pool from selling addresses for some timeframe commencing at the
>> time of their last allocation?
> Do we really want to lock unused or underused addresses out of play
> for folks who DO meet ARIN's needs-justification when the whole point
> of transfers is that we don't have enough addresses to go around?

There's two sides to every sword that can be used to attack this issue.


> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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