[arin-ppml] ARIN Multiple Discrete Networks Policy

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Sun Oct 2 01:14:00 EDT 2011

If the networks can be announced in an aggregate, then, they are
not discrete in the meaning of the policy.


On Oct 1, 2011, at 5:58 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:02 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>> On Sep 29, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Richard A Steenbergen <ras at e-gerbil.net> wrote:
>>> I'd very much like to see something done about this, either through the
>> For avoidance of doubt, I suggested to Richard that he raise this matter on the PPML or at the Open Policy Hour in Philly, so that the community could consider if policy changes are needed in this area.
> I do not see a change required in the MDN policy.  ARIN staff should
> apply the policy as written not make a determination that the
> applicant "Doesn't NEED" to use a certain policy;  if the applicant
> WANTs to apply the policy, when they meet the stated criteria for the
> policy, and their application of the policy is reasonable, they should
> be allowed to do so.
> If the MDN policy is available, and the applicant meets all the
> criteria in the MDN policy, the applicant should be eligible to the
> allocation of discrete networks under the policy,
> specifically:
> '"well yes technically I could always just break up my single ARIN
> allocation into a bunch of individual /24s for use by each discrete
> network" '
> Is not a valid reasoning to refuse to apply the MDN policy;  the MDN
> policy doesn't contain any statement that allows ARIN staff to refuse
> to apply it for that reason alone.
> A valid reasoning for refusing to apply the MDN policy would be one of
> the following:
> 1. The organization is actually a group or consortium of multiple entities.
> 2. The organization does not have a satisfactorily compelling criteria
> for creating multiple discrete networks.
> 3. The organization has failed to keep detailed records for each
> discrete network or won't agree to do so on receiving their initial
> allocation.
> 4. The organization fails to demonstrate utilization of 50% or more of
> the last block allocated and the aggregate sum of all blocks.
> 5. The organization has existing blocks for one of the networks that
> is not 80% utilized at that location
> 6.  The organization has not asked ARIN to apply the MDN policy for
> their application.
>> FYI,
>> /John
> --
> -JH
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