[arin-ppml] 2011-1 dissent Was: Re: ARIN-2011-1: ARINInter-RIRTransfers - Last Call

[Kevin Blumberg]

John,

My issue is exactly what that one word :)  The word "compatible" gives to much latitude once
the bi-lateral requirements were removed. 

I guess the question is how far would ARIN staff interpret the word "compatible" or the courts for that matter.

Is 48 months justification ok? Is 50 percent utilized? 

If another region said that the minimum block they gave out for initial allocation to a new multi homed
entrant was a /18 based on a 10 year needs projection, would that be compatible?

Kevin Blumberg
T 416.214.9473 x31
F 416.862.9473
kevinb at thewire.ca






> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sweeting, John [mailto:john.sweeting at twcable.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:42 AM
> To: Kevin Blumberg; Owen DeLong; William Herrin
> Cc: John Curran; arin-ppml at arin.net List
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2011-1 dissent Was: Re: ARIN-2011-1: ARINInter-
> RIRTransfers - Last Call
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> Not sure if this helps but it must fit the word "compatible" according to ARIN,
> that is one of the reasons for the wording "only via RIR's who agree to the
> transfer" to be included.
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/25/11 11:33 PM, "Kevin Blumberg" <kevinb at thewire.ca> wrote:
> 
> >Own,
> >
> >This is my major issue with the rewrite. The reality is that the
> >current text in last call doesn't deal with another region relaxing
> >their policies to still fit within the word "compatible".
> >
> >A policy needs to be able to be forward looking. The rewrite of 2011-1
> >would now allow another RIR to modify the intent of our policy by
> >solely relaxing their own polices.
> >
> >While I believe the ARIN AC has done a lot towards cleaning up the
> >text, the shift of responsibility to outside our region is deeply
> >concerning.
> >
> >Example Policy Proposal from Region XYZ post adoption:
> >
> >"Parties requesting Inter-RIR transfers may do so with 48 month
> >justification criteria based on 50 percent current utilization".
> >
> >
> >Kevin Blumberg
> >T 416.214.9473 x31
> >F 416.862.9473
> >kevinb at thewire.ca
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> >> On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:34 PM
> >> To: William Herrin
> >> Cc: John Curran; arin-ppml at arin.net List
> >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2011-1 dissent Was: Re: ARIN-2011-1:
> >> ARINInter- RIRTransfers - Last Call
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 25, 2011, at 5:25 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> On Oct 25, 2011, at 3:35 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> >> >>> I can't bend on the idea that we'll let other regions set their
> >> >>> own, LESS-stringent-than-ARIN rules for consuming ARIN addresses
> >> >>> while we continue to apply more restrictive rules to identical
> >> >>> registrants here at home. That is beyond careless stewardship. If
> >> >>> I may borrow your turn of phrase, it violates a fundamental
> >> >>> expectation of any fair and equitable industry self-regulation.
> >> >>
> >> >> Can you back up this claim with any form of evidence or fact?
> >> >
> >> > "Under the proposed policy text, it does not matter if the other
> >> > RIRs requirements are more or less strict than ARIN's" -- John
> >> > Curran,
> >> > 10/20/2011 explaining ARIN's interpretation of the 2011-1 text.
> >> >
> >>
> >> That is not the same as claiming that other RIRs have a less
> >>restrictive policy.
> >> Can you back that claim up specifically. I do not believe it
> >>currently holds true.
> >>
> >> Owen
> >>
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