[arin-ppml] DP 2011-1 - How has the meaning changed?

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Thu Nov 10 18:07:45 EST 2011


Bill,

Time to move on.

Best,

Marty
On Nov 10, 2011 4:49 PM, "Bill Darte" <BillD at cait.wustl.edu> wrote:

> **
>
> So, OK....again you speak to the 'broken process'...and you say there is a
> King James re-write...
> Show me where the 'major' edits are....I call them tweaks and re-wording.
> bd
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Hannigan [mailto:hannigan at gmail.com <hannigan at gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thu 11/10/2011 11:10 AM
> To: Bill Darte
> Cc: Bill Sandiford; Robert Seastrom; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] DP 2011-1 - How has the meaning changed?
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Bill Darte <BillD at cait.wustl.edu> wrote:
> > All,
> >
>
> [ clip ]
>
> >
> > What is important is not the magnitude or timing of the wording changes,
> > but how faithful those changes were to reflecting what the community
> > calls for and the original intent of the DP whose language is changing.
>
>
> The record speaks for itself and disagrees.It's a good time to stop
> distracting the discussion and simply agree that the process was
> broken and get on with it. We agreed to move to last call with
> "tweaks". Not with a King James version rewrite.
>
> Vint summarized it best:
>
> Vint Cerf:  "The reason I'm raising this as an issue, Mr. Chairman, is
> I'm concerned that the only way that the Advisory Council could
> continue to work on it is if we all voted to - in favor of this with
> some tweaks, because the value of tweak is a little undefined.  That's
> what I'm concerned about. "
>
> From the transcripts:
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_XXVIII/ppm2_transcript.html#anchor_12
>
> [ from where we start to form "the question" ]
>
> Tim Denton:  Okay.  So we have heard the language from Mr. DeLong.  Do
> we favor it, moving it to last call with tweaks.
>
> The proposition is now going to be put to the house.  Do we favor it
> being put to last call with the Advisory Council making language
> tweaks. Please signify your ascent if you agree. You can put your
> hands down.
>
> Those against the Advisory Council putting the proposition to last
> call even with tweaks.  Those against the Advisory Council putting
> this to last call.
>
> Unidentified Speaker:  A question of clarification. Based on what Owen
> had said, I thought we were going to be voting on whether or not this
> got kicked back for complete rework, not voting against it going back
> with tweaks.  They're different somehow.
>
> Bill Darte:  If it were to go to last call, then it would be in
> another cycle of work.
>
> Unidentified Speaker:  That's not necessarily true.
>
> Tim Denton:  Just a second.  Can we just have - no.  I don't want
> anything further.  We're reaching the stages of lack of clarity.
>
> Now, is the vote - has the vote been taken?  All right.
>
> 2011-1:  ARIN Inter-regional Transfers.  Those in the room voting and
> by remote, 124.  Those who are moving it to last call and making such
> corrections as may be necessary, those in favor of the proposition
> were 24; those against were 17.
>
>
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