[arin-ppml] DP 2011-1 - How has the meaning changed?

Bill Darte BillD at cait.wustl.edu
Thu Nov 10 16:48:35 EST 2011


So, OK....again you speak to the 'broken process'...and you say there is a King James re-write...
Show me where the 'major' edits are....I call them tweaks and re-wording.
bd


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Hannigan [mailto:hannigan at gmail.com]
Sent: Thu 11/10/2011 11:10 AM
To: Bill Darte
Cc: Bill Sandiford; Robert Seastrom; arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] DP 2011-1 - How has the meaning changed?
 
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Bill Darte <BillD at cait.wustl.edu> wrote:
> All,
>

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>
> What is important is not the magnitude or timing of the wording changes,
> but how faithful those changes were to reflecting what the community
> calls for and the original intent of the DP whose language is changing.


The record speaks for itself and disagrees.It's a good time to stop
distracting the discussion and simply agree that the process was
broken and get on with it. We agreed to move to last call with
"tweaks". Not with a King James version rewrite.

Vint summarized it best:

Vint Cerf:  "The reason I'm raising this as an issue, Mr. Chairman, is
I'm concerned that the only way that the Advisory Council could
continue to work on it is if we all voted to - in favor of this with
some tweaks, because the value of tweak is a little undefined.  That's
what I'm concerned about. "

>From the transcripts:

    https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_XXVIII/ppm2_transcript.html#anchor_12

[ from where we start to form "the question" ]

Tim Denton:  Okay.  So we have heard the language from Mr. DeLong.  Do
we favor it, moving it to last call with tweaks.

The proposition is now going to be put to the house.  Do we favor it
being put to last call with the Advisory Council making language
tweaks. Please signify your ascent if you agree. You can put your
hands down.

Those against the Advisory Council putting the proposition to last
call even with tweaks.  Those against the Advisory Council putting
this to last call.

Unidentified Speaker:  A question of clarification. Based on what Owen
had said, I thought we were going to be voting on whether or not this
got kicked back for complete rework, not voting against it going back
with tweaks.  They're different somehow.

Bill Darte:  If it were to go to last call, then it would be in
another cycle of work.

Unidentified Speaker:  That's not necessarily true.

Tim Denton:  Just a second.  Can we just have - no.  I don't want
anything further.  We're reaching the stages of lack of clarity.

Now, is the vote - has the vote been taken?  All right.

2011-1:  ARIN Inter-regional Transfers.  Those in the room voting and
by remote, 124.  Those who are moving it to last call and making such
corrections as may be necessary, those in favor of the proposition
were 24; those against were 17.

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