[arin-ppml] ARIN-2011-1: ARIN Inter-RIR Transfers - Revised Assessment
jcurran at arin.net
Thu Nov 10 14:54:15 EST 2011
On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> As called by the Chair, the poll was "making such corrections as may
>> be necessary". I agree that the intent of the poll was characterized
>> earlier as advancing to last call with "tweaks" or "minor changes"; it
>> is left to each community member to consider whether making changes to
>> the text for clarification purposes (as opposed to policy substance)
>> was included in the guidance provided to the ARIN AC.
> I reviewed the video of the session this afternoon to clarify. The
> question asked and polled was specifically "do we favor it being put
> to last call with the advisory council making language tweaks".
> Additionally, a participant stood up and clearly asked the meeting
> Chair to clarify the question on a wider scale, if we were approving a
> rewrite and that a rewrite was totally different than what was being
> asked. The meeting Chair opted to keep the focus on language tweaks
> and not restate the question. The recording is painfully clear with
> respect to intent. Tweaks, not rewrite.
Yes, I also reviewed the video, and hence my remark about the
scope of what was recommended being a judgement of each member
of the community. Your characterization above is incorrect,
as the definition of what constitutes a tweak was left open
intentionally, and furthermore because the motion language
was language provided by Owen Delong and simply indicated
correcting the draft policy and moving it to last call.
Regarding "tweaks", you point out that participant stood up
and said the value of "tweaks" was a little undefined. You
failed mention that Chair found this to be an acceptable state
and replied "Yes, I understand the value of tweaks is less
than perfectly defined." Given a chance to specifically
restrict define the scope of "tweaks", this was not done.
Furthermore, the Chair did not restate the question because he
had already had Owen repeat his phrasing of the question, to wit:
"Does the community support the Advisory Council correcting this
and moving it to last call versus does the community feel that
it needs major changes and another trip to a meeting."
The Chair then said: "Okay. So we have heard the language from
Mr. DeLong. Do we favor it, moving it to last call with tweaks.
the proposition is now going to be put to the house. Do we favor
it being put to last call with the Advisory Council making language
tweaks. Please signify your ascent if you agree. "
Those supporting the question were supporting the language that
Owen repeated, specifically "the Advisory Council correcting
it and moving it to last call" which was the language referenced
by the Chair. It is quite possible that some community members
were confused in this process, but the question asked definitely
included the AC making changes (of scope undefined) and putting
the result to last call.
You may disapprove of the AC correcting the issues in the draft
policy by means of a rewrite, but it is certainly within the AC's
ability to do so, and furthermore not contrary to the direction
of "correcting it and moving it to last call" given in the PPM.
To the extent that there's some policy aspects of the rewrite
that go beyond addressing the issues raised in the PPM, it is
important that they be called out to the community during this
last call period. So far, it is not apparent that the revised
draft policy is materially different from version presented at
PPM (with appropriate corrections for the issues discussed.)
President and CEO
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