[arin-ppml] What do you think of 2011-1 (now in Last Call)?

Robert Seastrom ppml at rs.seastrom.com
Wed Nov 9 06:40:16 EST 2011

So noted.  Thanks Bill.


Bill Sandiford <bill at telnetcommunications.com> writes:

> Hi All,
> I've stayed out of the PPML debate on this one so far, but I'm going to
> take a moment now and give everyone my thoughts.
> First of all, in the interests of full disclosure, I want to put something
> on the record.  I, speaking for myself personally, do not like the idea of
> Inter-RIR transfers at all.  The reasons why are irrelevant to this
> discussion so I won't go into them here.
> That being said, my duty as an AC member is to work productively on
> policies that are desired by the community whether or not they align with
> my personal views.  This is one of those cases where my personal views do
> not align with the will of the community so I have "checked my personal
> views at the door".  It is clear that the community wants an Inter-RIR
> transfer policy and I will work hard to ensure that it is done properly.
> Now on to this policy itself.
> I believe that as part of the process, any policy text that gets
> implemented should go before the community at a PPM.  The current text has
> never seen a PPM, and if the current course is stayed it never will.  In
> fact, the current policy text, in its entirety, was drafted by an AC
> Member less than 24 hours before it was advanced to last call.  As an AC
> Member, I only saw this text a few hours before I was asked to vote on it.
>  This seems very very wrong to me.
> If this was text that was merely revised I might be able to support this.
> But this is not *revised* text, this is *completely rewritten* text.  Not
> a single sentence from a version presented at any PPM is in this text.
> Not only has the text been re-written, but it has changed sections too.
> I won't go out as far as others have to say that this is an "end run" on
> the PDP, but I certainly believe that a 100% revision by the AC at last
> call is beyond my interpretation of the *spirit* of the PDP.  I will
> however note that it is my opinion only.
> For all of the reasons above, I do NOT support the policy as it stands now
> in last call.  I believe this policy needs to stay on the docket to be
> cleaned up, presented at the next PPM, and then adopted (assuming the
> community wishes for it to be at that time).
> Regards,
> Bill
> On 11-11-07 6:11 PM, "Robert Seastrom" <ppml at rs.seastrom.com> wrote:
>>Hi everyone,
>>By my count, since it went to last call we've heard from 19 distinct
>>people in threads involving 2011-1 ("ARIN INTER-RIR TRANSFERS").
>>Of those people, 12 were in favor, 5 were against, and 2 did not make a
>>clear statement.
>>2011-1 is in Last Call until November 16th.  If you have an opinion on it
>>the AC would love to hear from you.  Please reply to this message and
>>state clearly in the first couple of sentences whether you support or
>>oppose 2011-1 as written.  Everyone's opinion is appreciated.
>>We would like to take this up at our call on Wednesday the 16th, which is
>>at 1600 EST.  To make sure your voice is heard, please respond no later
>>than 1200 EST (0900 PST, 1700 UTC) on Wednesday, November 16th 2011.
>>Thank you,
>>-r (Shepherd, 2011-1).
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