[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-151 Limiting Needs Requirements for IPv4 Transfers

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed May 25 12:08:13 EDT 2011

On May 24, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:

> On May 25, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Matthew Kaufman <matthew at matthew.at> wrote:
>>> Come on. If they're going to game the system by creating multiple orgs to beat the /12 rule, they'll also game the system by using their extensive experience working with ARIN to pass needs assessment tests, or create new fake multihomed orgs and use their untestable 3-month need to get a bunch of space, or lots of other things.
>>> And either *all* of those are fraud, or none of them are.
>> Creating new organizations = Easy.  Just a little extra paperwork,
>> some nominal filing fees, legal documents, and about five minutes for a
>> clerk to register the additional organizations with the relevant authorities.
>> And not fraudulent.  Each entity applying for addresses really could easily be
>> made a separate legitimate organization, and they would not be "lying"  to
>> say they are not the same org.
>> Passing needs assessments tests, following the rules,  without
>> justified need existing =  Hard/Impossible.
> Totally disagree. There's any number of consultants who specialize in this.
> Plus you simply create new orgs (which you claim is easy) and ask for an initial allocation for them associated with their grandiose (and plausible) business plans.
> Matthew Kaufman

Under existing policy, you have to create not only a legitimate new organization, but, also a fraudulent grandiose business plan.

Under proposed policy, you only have to create the legitimate new organization.

To me, this is a significant difference.


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