[arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate
owen at delong.com
Thu May 19 18:54:09 EDT 2011
On May 19, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Mike Burns wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
> Making policy which brings more supply into the market will reduce prices for the big guy and the little guy.
Agreed. This doesn't do that.
> One element of my proposal is removing the threat of ARIN recovery action for RSA holders.
Where? Oh, you mean the part where if they are offering them for sale in one particular forum, you preclude section 12 action.
> My hope is that this will provide the incentive for holders of underutilized assets to sell them without a fear of an audit.
ARIN has already stated that they will not peruse transfer listings looking for section 12 targets. Being on the listing will
not get you targeted for audit even without this policy. However, audits are still possible regardless of whether this policy
passes or not. In that regard, it is largely a no-op.
> I think that big companies probably have the edge in gaming needs analyses; whether or not they would use that edge is of course an open question.
I absolutely disagree. I think that large requests are looked at with much greater scrutiny than smaller ones. I also think
that small organizations have little need to game the system for needs analysis.
> But simplifiying transactions, as my proposal attempts to do, favors the small guy, IMO.
Only if the small guy is allowed to participate. I would argue that the likely outcome of your proposal is to exclude
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Kargel" <kkargel at polartel.com>
> To: <matthew at matthew.at>; "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com>
> Cc: <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Matthew Kaufman
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:26 PM
>>> To: Owen DeLong
>>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois
>>> On 5/19/2011 12:05 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> > It was not intended as such and I apologize if it came across that
>>> > way. My point is that your policy
>>> > would serve the interest of a select few well capitalized
>>> > organizations significantly better than
>>> > the interests of the overall community.
>>> If "a select few well capitalized organizations" are going to corner the
>>> market on space, doesn't that require them to purchase the maximum
>>> amount of space from existing holders at fairly high prices?
>>> That might serve the *financial* interests of the overall community
>>> better than policies where the number of buyers is limited by needs
>>> It also provides existing holders with more cash to use for their IPv6
>>> Matthew Kaufman
>> I am a relatively small time operator. It does not benefit me one whit if the big boys buy IP's from the big boys. It might keep me from getting IP's if/when I need them.
>> I am part of the overall community.
>> We are managing policy for the community, not just for the top ten ISP's or for a few traders who want to organize a market to make some quick cash. Let's keep the small business and non-profit orgs in mind. This is not all about the almighty dollar and how to get more of them.
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