[arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed May 11 16:14:34 EDT 2011

On May 11, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Mike Burns wrote:

> Hi Owen and McTim,
> I, along with the APNIC community, could make the claim that you are abandoning the stewardship role in maintaining Whois accuracy, and sacrificing that stewardship role on the altar of an ARIN needs policy developed for the purposes of  free pool allocations that does not comply with current legal realities.
You could, but, you'd be wrong.

> But charges of abandoning stewardship are inflammatory, and I hope we can keep to actual discussions of the implications of my proposal without casting aspersions.
Perhaps, but, I believe that is one of the implications of your proposal.

> Let's agree that we all seek the highest standards of stewardship, but disagree on how those standards should be applied.
Sorry, I call it as I see it. I think abandoning needs-based resource management
is an abandonment of the responsibility of stewardship in managing the resources.

> I think I could characterize your opposition better by saying that you believe the danger of hoarding and speculation outweigh the risk to whois accuracy.

I think that the risk to whois accuracy is relatively low and is a spectre or boogeyman
argument used by those with more libertarian economic views than my own.

OTOH, I think that the risks to the community that come with an abandonment of
needs-basis and other secondary aspects of address resource management that
spring from that is an extreme risk to the community and transitions the fundamental
nature of the internet from the greatest tool ever developed for the democratization
of communication to yet another tool for media exploitation.

> Would that be an accurate statement, if not your exclusive objection to the proposal?
The statement in the last sentence is accurate. It is most certainly not my exclusive
objection to the proposal, but, certainly the major one.


> Regards,
> Mike
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> To: "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com>
> Cc: "Mike Burns" <mike at nationwideinc.com>; <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> I oppose the policy as written.
> +1
>> Abandoning our stewardship role for the sake of making it more likely
>> people will register their misappropriation of community resources is
>> like legalizing bank robbery in the hopes that the thieves will pay
>> income tax on their ill gotten gains.
> ;-)
> -- 
> Cheers,
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel 

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