[arin-ppml] transfer conditions

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Tue May 10 11:21:23 EDT 2011

On 5/10/2011 7:18 AM, John Curran wrote:
> On May 9, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
>> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Matthew Kaufman<matthew at matthew.at>  wrote:
>>> On May 9, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>> All of the versions of the LRSA, and all of the modifications of "The RSA" are "an RSA"
>>>> I wouldn't like it, but obviously ARIN does not like forcing the recieving party to sign an RSA,
>>> No, they're fine with "an RSA", just not "The RSA and Only The RSA"
>>> Matthew Kaufman
>> When I say and see "RSA" in the 8.3 transfer policy; I take that to mean
>> the unmodified, standard RSA signed  for new allocations by ARIN.
>> And "LRSA" to be the special modified RSA for legacy holders.
>> Do you suggest ARIN staff have taken a liberty to not implement it in
>> that manner?
> It is not implemented as you suggested above - it is a standard RSA by
> default.
>> I expect transfer recipients to be required to sign the RSA equivalent to
>> the standard RSA signed by receivers of new allocations.
> As I noted, a transfer will almost always meet these expectations.  However,
> if there are legacy resources involved and a standard RSA will not work due to
> conflict of terms with governmental requirements such as a federal, state or
> provisional authority, court authorities, etc.)

I can see a bankruptcy court requiring ARIN to NOT force a transferrer 
such as Nortel to sign any kind of document.

I cannot see a bankruptcy court requiring ARIN to have a recipient to
an address transfer such as Microsoft sign only an LRSA instead of an
RSA.  Microsoft isn't under bankruptcy court control.

Perhaps you could elaborate?  Hypothetically, of course?


ARIN may utilize an LRSA or
> modified LRSA so that the transfer can proceed.  This is unlikely to be a common
> occurrence, but does happen, just as we sometimes have to modify the LRSA for
> governmental entities.
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
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