[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed May 4 15:19:04 EDT 2011

On May 4, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:

> On May 4, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> On May 3, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>>> On 5/3/2011 3:42 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>>>> Sure... back when there was a free pool, making them jump through the extra hoops every 3 months to show that they're doing the right thing makes (some) sense... but once there isn't, every time they get space might be their last.
>>> Oh, and since the "ARIN Community" is mostly made up of the "haves" and has almost no representation (if any) from the "have nots" I have no expectation that there will be widespread support for fixing transfer policies for the "have nots".
>> If this is true, it is only because the have-nots have, thus far, chosen not to subscribe to the list and
>> participate. If you know them and feel they are being substantially disadvantaged in this debate, the
>> rational solution is to encourage them to subscribe and chime in.
> I am claiming that the future "have nots" are totally unaware today that they need to participate in order to be able to do what they haven't yet started in the future.
> My 7 year old isn't lobbying for rollbacks on the new restrictions for teen drivers this week either, because he simply hasn't thought about driving himself around enough to realize that his ability to take his brother out with him when he turns 16 has been eliminated in this state.
> Matthew Kaufman

So you are saying that some group of (potentially non-existent as yet) companies that will
be run by people who are not yet adults could be disadvantaged in the IPv4 world by the
policies we are adopting, and, so, we should sell address space to the highest bidders
on longer-term time horizons in order to somehow prevent that from happening?

I'm sorry, I just can't equate the outcome of the proposal to the protection of the
parties you are describing.

I also think it is unlikely your 7 year old will be in charge of a company in less than
9 years. As such, I'm inclined to believe that by the time he is, any potential for
meaningful IPv4 based companies will be long passed by that time.


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