[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers

Matthew Kaufman matthew at matthew.at
Tue May 3 18:42:47 EDT 2011

On 5/3/2011 3:33 PM, John Springer wrote:
> I oppose  proposal ARIN-prop-146.
> Comments inline.
> On Tue, 3 May 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> On May 2, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>>> On 5/2/2011 8:47 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>> Welcome to the post-run-out world. Why should we let you acquire 
>>>> more space now and deny that
>>>> space to someone else who has justified need now?
>>> Because I can afford it and have taken the time to find a seller.
>>> Or were you planning on enacting price controls on the market as well?
>> No, I think justified need is the only required control on the 
>> market. I don't see a need for price
>> controls, but, I do see a need to ensure that people like you do not 
>> get excessive address
>> space just because you have greater financial resources vs. others 
>> who need it now, but
>> have lesser financial resources.
> <bows to Owen>
> I see a need to ensure that people who have greater resources do not 
> get more additional address space than others who also need it, but 
> have lesser resources.
> Basically, what is being proposed here, stripped of a lot of heat and 
> light is an environment where more resources is a much better 
> advantage than currently.
> Who wouldn't want that?

I don't have a problem with justified need for transfers. I *do* have a 
problem with creating large sets of people who can't even *use* 
transfers to fulfill their needs because the 3-month limit *they* are 
subject to is a lot different operationally than the 12-month limit the 
rest of the transfer recipients are subject to.

I do not see how someone can operate a business that will still need 
IPv4 addresses in order to function and yet be limited to only getting 
three months at a time via transfer when their competitors are allowed 
to get 12 months at a time via transfer.

Sure... back when there was a free pool, making them jump through the 
extra hoops every 3 months to show that they're doing the right thing 
makes (some) sense... but once there isn't, every time they get space 
might be their last.

Matthew Kaufman

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