[arin-ppml] Fw: Accusation of fundamental conflict ofinterest/IPaddress policy pitched directly to ICANN

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Mon May 2 22:46:44 EDT 2011

On May 2, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Mike Burns wrote:

> No, I want the question of whether to allow competitive non-regional registries to be decided by an entity other than one composed of non-competitive regional registries who currently enjoy a monopoly on registration services.
You are in luck. The non-competitive regional registries do not actually do much
in the policy process that governs them. Mostly the policies are proposed by and
evaluated by the communities (defined as anyone who wants to participate,
has an email address, and bothers to show up or participate in the mailing lists),
then, managed by the appropriate bodies. In the case of ARIN, this would be
the ARIN Advisory Council, which, is not ARIN or even ARIN employees who are
specifically precluded from running for or obtaining office. The Advisory Council
is elected by the members of ARIN, but, membership in ARIN consists of the
union of all ISP Subscriber members (all who hold ISP resource allocations) and all
other resource recipients who have elected to join ARIN and paid a $500 annual
membership fee.

> There is a conflict of interest there. Let the venue be moved to a higher level.
And again, I say there is no higher level to move the venue to.


> Regards,
> Mike
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com>
> To: "Mike Burns" <mike at nationwideinc.com>
> Cc: "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>; <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Fw: Accusation of fundamental conflict ofinterest/IPaddress policy pitched directly to ICANN
> So your argument boils down to:
> I don't like who the communities elected, so, I want to shop for a different forum?
> Owen
> On May 2, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Mike Burns wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>> Just read the names of the committe members.
>> Enough said.
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> To: "Mike Burns" <mike at nationwideinc.com>
>> Cc: <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 4:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fw: [arin-ppml] Accusation of fundamental conflict ofinterest/IPaddress policy pitched directly to ICANN
>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Mike Burns <mike at nationwideinc.com> wrote:
>>>> Can you be more specific? The ICANN ASO? the ICANN BoT? the IANA?
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> Keep going, all the organizations above are suspect due to the fact that
>>> they are all comprised of the same basic group of RIR designees.
>> The RIRs do not "designate" or appoint anyone to any of the above
>> bodies.  The ASO AC members are elected by their respective RIR
>> communities.  Those ASO AC members do have a role to play in choosing
>> 2 (IIRC) of the ICANN Board.  Neither the RIRs nor the ASO get to
>> choose IANA staff.
>>> I would take it to NTIA like DNS.
>> I think you overestimate the role of the NTIA in the DNS.
>>> And I would use DNS as a template for the creation of the global policy
>>> restrictions John Curran asked about, which restrictions would apply to all
>>> registries, regional or commercial.
>>> Just as all DNS registrars must meet certain qualifications, so would
>>> private registries of number space.
>>> Let the NTIA hear arguments from the proposer and from the ASO, the ICANN
>>> BoT, and IANA, although I suspect they will all sound the same.
>> Back in the 1990's, the idea was for the USG to divest itself (via
>> ICANN) of the naming and numbering roles.  That process is still
>> ongoing, and one can see a certain acceleration of divestiture in
>> recent years.  The Affirmation of Commitments is, I think, an example
>> of this.
>> As DF has indicated, this (asking the NTIA to make this kind of
>> determination) would be a real non-starter for the global Internet
>> Governance community.
>> -- 
>> Cheers,
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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