[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-140 Business Failure Clarification

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Mon May 2 22:08:17 EDT 2011

On May 2, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:

> On May 2, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> On May 2, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>>> On May 2, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>> I was the POC for an organization which failed. When I was informed that
>>>> my job was being terminated and the company liquidated, the network
>>>> being shut down, etc. I notified ARIN and the addresses and AS Numbers
>>>> were reclaimed.
>>> If you notified ARIN after your date/time of termination, you were probably acting outside of your authority.
>> I notified ARIN that the business was being liquidated and that the network
>> had been shut down. I did not tell ARIN to reclaim the addresses (though I
>> expressed a belief that policy might support reclamation).
>> As such, I was not acting in or out of authority. I was conveying information.
>> The information was a matter of public record and so not subject to NDA.
>>> And these days, if you notified ARIN before talking to your management about the possibility of transferring the addresses in order to pay creditors during the liquidation you wouldn't be upholding your fiduciary responsibility to your employer.
>> If I did so while I had a fiduciary responsibility, perhaps. However, once
>> terminated, I had no such fiduciary responsibility.
> Once terminated you didn't have the authority to report it to ARIN *as the POC* either... you're just another random citizen.
I disagree. I had the obligation to report it to ARIN as the listed POC. 
I did so as part of my request that ARIN terminate my POC status for
any records that remained so that ARIN did not incorrectly assume
I was still a POC for the organization.

Since I was the only listed POC for the organization, the result was
an organization (and resource records) with no POCs.

> Hopefully you made it clear to ARIN that you were no longer an authorized POC when you made the assertion that the business was being liquidated and the network shut down.
I made it clear to ARIN that I was no longer employed and that my POC handle
should be removed from any remaining records for the organization. I believe
that is in line with the intent of your statement.

>> we can agree to disagree.
> Or not.

Perhaps. I can't tell at this time whether we agree or not.


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