[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers

Matthew Kaufman matthew at matthew.at
Mon May 2 20:05:22 EDT 2011

On May 2, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:

> On May 2, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>> On May 2, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> there is no reason
>>> to treat transfers differently from initial allocations and assignments.
>> Fundamentally disagree. Policy for handing out the last of the free pool of IPv4 (which has already become much MORE restrictive, now that we are subject to the "last /8" policies) should be different than policy for approving transfer recipients. There is no reason to believe, for instance, that we are in the "last /8" of transfers. And no new entrant post-runout will spend the time and money attempting to acquire only what they can justify for a 3-month period.
>> Matthew Kaufman
> The three month restriction is a temporary abomination in the IPv4 policies related to runout.
> The rest of the policy is not specially restrictive related to runout.
> That temporary abomination is specifically exempted in 8.3, so, you already have exactly what
> you have stated is needed above.

No it isn't. Section 8.3 has NO language exempting itself from the 3 month rule. That's what I hear on the list, but I looked it up, and it isn't there. That's how I ended up writing this proposal, after all.

The only exemption is in That exemption ONLY works if you are not getting an initial assignment through transfer (a likely scenario for new orgs post-runout) AND you are not a new member who only recently got their initial 3 month supply (where you'd be restricted to using transfer in 3-month increments for the first year in order to grow).

AND there's other bugs in that and and (at the very least) call out specific block sizes that might be *smaller* than the block you're trying to qualify under transfer.

I hate to say it, but... did you actually *read* my policy proposal text?

> There is no need for a policy change.

There clearly is, IF you run through each and every one of the paths in section 4 and see which ones triggers for, and more important, which ones it *doesn't* trigger for.

If you qualify for an 8.3 transfer there is NO reason that transfer should fall under the 3-month rules, which right now, in many cases, it does... without a change like the one I have proposed.

Matthew Kaufman

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