[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Mon May 2 17:42:09 EDT 2011

I oppose the policy as written. There are reasons that we have a
body of IPv4 policies with a variety of definitions of justified need.
ARIN is well versed in identifying the particular categories under
which an application should be processed and there is no reason
to treat transfers differently from initial allocations and assignments.

This proposal would subject end-user transferees to the same policy
structures as ISPs which could be very detrimental to such end users.


On May 2, 2011, at 11:00 AM, ARIN wrote:

> ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers
> ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the
> Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with the Policy
> Development Process.
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> ## * ##
> ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers
> Proposal Originator: Matthew Kaufman
> Proposal Version: 1
> Date: 2 May 2011
> Proposal type: new
> Policy term: permanent
> Policy statement:
> Add a subsection to Section 8 (Transfers) of the NRPM:
> "Justified Need" for resources associated with a transfer shall be
> determined using the "4.2.4 ISP Additional Requests" criteria applied as
> though the recipient has been a subscriber member of ARIN for at least
> one year (whether or not that is the case).
> Rationale:
> An organization which is not able to obtain its initial IPv4 address
> assignment from ARIN post-runout would otherwise be limited to
> purchasing only a 3-month supply (because the language in
> regarding 8.3 transfers is not triggered).
> An organization which has only recently received its first allocation
> under the "last /8" criteria is also otherwise limited to purchasing
> only a 3-month supply (because the language in is again not
> applicable).
> There is also ambiguity if is applied in that a transfer to
> a new organization might only need to show need for a /20 (because that
> is what is specifically called out) even though they are receiving a
> much larger block.
> There is also ambiguity with regard to transfers under 8.2 where the
> receiving organization is a new organization... not at all clear how
> "justified need" has been or should be determined.
> Timetable for implementation: immediate
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