[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-153 Correct erroneous syntax in NRPM 8.3

Tue May 31 08:10:34 EDT 2011

As long as everyone works within the ARIN transfer policy, attaching the
limits on the recipients would seem sufficient.  

Echoing previous posters' concerns, those who fall under the "3 month" needs
demonstration may create more disaggregation if they have to get small
chunks every time rather than a chunk two or three times larger.  Ideally
they're buying the chunks contiguously.  I don't know if we can/should
incent them to do that, or if having a contiguous block and not having to
find a new seller each time is incentive enough.  I mean, if they really
think they're going to grow, they'll likely want to create a contract from
the same seller to buy more chunks.

Frank

From: Scott Leibrand [mailto:scottleibrand at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 12:27 AM
To: frnkblk at iname.com
Cc: Owen DeLong; arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-153 Correct erroneous syntax in NRPM 8.3

ARIN deaggregates /8s into /22s and /20s today, so that's not really much
different. It seems that any restriction needs to be on the recipient
getting a bunch of deaggregates, not on a large block holder transferring to
lots of smaller recipients. 

Scott

On May 30, 2011, at 7:16 PM, "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk at iname.com> wrote:

That's a good goal, but how does this policy manage disaggregation where a
larger block owner has the opportunity to sell to different buyers?  For
example, the owner of a /8 that has an unused /10 could sell /12's to four
different buyers.   On one hand there's a desire to minimize disaggregation,
on the other hand if there's unused space that others with a validated need
could use, why not.

Frank

From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:28 AM
To: frnkblk at iname.com
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-153 Correct erroneous syntax in NRPM 8.3

If they can find two /15s that started out as /15s, then there's no problem.
The issue comes if they, for example,

find someone with a /8 and want to get two disparate /15s from within that
/8. The intent here is to require

the /8 holder to renumber enough to make a contiguous /14 available rather
than transferring two disparate

/15s and disaggregating them.

Owen

On May 29, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:

I'm confused.  If an organization can demonstrate need for a /14 and they
can only find a /15 in the market today, why should they have to wait a
whole year if they can find another /15 just a few months later?  Why should
we penalize them for the fact that the supply at the time of need is low?
Is it because you want someone else with demonstrable need to get that
second /15?  If that's the case, won't that be based on who's willing to pay
top dollar for that /15? 

Frank

From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 10:46 PM
To: Brett Frankenberger
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-153 Correct erroneous syntax in NRPM 8.3

<snip>

What I would think makes more sense as policy would be:

Organizations may transfer multiple address blocks but

no organization shall receive more than one address block

per year where said address block is smaller

than its original registered size.

<snip>

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