[arin-ppml] Integrating Draft Policy ARIN-2011-1 into NRPM 8.3

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Mon May 23 19:41:34 EDT 2011


On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>
> On May 23, 2011, at 17:50, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Owen DeLong < <owen at delong.com>
> owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>> How about this, instead...
>>
>> 8.3 Transfers to Specified Recipients
>>
>> In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources may be
>> released to ARIN
>> by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in part, for transfer:
>>
>> + to specified organizational recipient(s) within the ARIN region
>>  that will receive such resources under RSA as a single aggregate, in the
>> exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN policies
>>
>> + to another RIR, for transfer to a specified recipient in that RIR's
>> service
>> region, if the two RIRs agree and maintain compatible, needs-based
>>  transfer policies.
>>
>> In other words, let's bind the latter requirements only to the
>> intra-regional transfers
>> as I believe that they are out of scope for the burdens we should be
>> allowed to
>> place on inter-regional transfers on the part of the other RIR.
>>
>
> That might work.  I notice that you changed the language you moved to the
> first bullet, though (dropping the RSA requirement, for example).  Perhaps
> the following text would minimize the side effects (good and bad) of moving
> the text:
>
>
> That was a mistake on my part... Resolved above. I intended only to make
> the edits
> necessary to accommodate syntax and grammar.
>

No fair fixing the single aggregate thing while you're at it.  ;-)


> In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources may be
> released to ARIN
> by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in part, for transfer:
>
> + under RSA, to specified organizational recipient(s) within the ARIN
> region that can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single
> aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN
> policies.
>
> + to another RIR, for transfer to a specified recipient in that RIR's
> service region, if the two RIRs agree and maintain compatible,
> needs-based transfer policies.
>
> But I wonder if we're not losing some specificity by making that language
> apply only to in-region transfers...
>
> That could work too. We do lose some specificity, but, I believe that
> applying the specificity
> that we lose to another region is out of scope and beyond our reach or at
> least beyond
> that reach we should be attempting here.
>
> I really think we should make a genuine effort not to dictate policy to
> other regions beyond
> the bare minimum necessary to preserve needs-basis in light of that
> particular incompatibility.
>

Agreed.   I suspect there is a way to preserve needs-basis on inter-RIR
transfers even in light of the differences in ARIN and APNIC's transfer
policies, but that is likely the topic for another thread...

I don't think, for example, that a recipient in another region should have
> to sign an ARIN RSA
> or that it is up to us to require an RSA exist in other regions.
>

Well, I think all the other regions have an equivalent to the RSA, but
agreed nonetheless.


> Thoughts?  (Especially from anyone else who hasn't spoken up yet?)
>
>
> Thoughts, anyway.
>

I know I don't have to ask for yours.  ;-)

Thanks,
Scott


On May 23, 2011, at 15:54, Scott Leibrand <
<scottleibrand at gmail.com><scottleibrand at gmail.com>
scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> In light of the discomfort a number of community and AC members feel with
>> the original 2011-1 text, I thought I'd make an attempt at integrating it
>> into the framework of NRPM 8.3, to see if the result would be tighter and
>> less ambiguous.  Here's what I came up with:
>>
>> 8.3. Transfers to Specified Recipients
>>
>> In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources may be
>> released to ARIN by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in part, for
>> transfer:
>>
>>    - to a specified organizational recipient within the ARIN region, or
>>    - to another RIR, for transfer to a specified organizational recipient
>>    in that RIR's service region, if the two RIRs agree and maintain compatible,
>>    needs-based transfer policies.
>>
>> Such transferred number resources may only be received under RSA by
>> organizations that can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single
>> aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN
>> policies.
>>
>>
> How about "Such number resources may only be received under RSA by
> organizations that can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single
> aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN, or
> recipient RIR, policies." ?
>
> Or, feel free to suggest text...
>
> -Scott
>
>
>>
>> For reference, existing policy reads:
>> 8.3. Transfers to Specified Recipients
>>
>> In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources within
>> the ARIN region may be released to ARIN by the authorized resource holder,
>> in whole or in part, for transfer to another specified organizational
>> recipient. Such transferred number resources may only be received under RSA
>> by organizations that are within the ARIN region and can demonstrate the
>> need for such resources, as a single aggregate, in the exact amount which
>> they can justify under current ARIN policies.
>>
>> And original 2011-1 text reads:
>> Any RIR's resource registrant may transfer IPv4 addresses to the resource
>> registrant of another RIR as long as the two RIRs agree and maintain
>> compatible, needs-based transfer policies that exercise Internet stewardship
>> consistent with the values expressed in RFC2050.
>>
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