[arin-ppml] Followup: ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service

[Martin Hannigan]

I'm "shepherding" this proposal and wanted to ask if there were
additional comments. It seems fair to characterize this proposal as
having little support. This would include the author in a followup
message to the AC regarding PP 139.

Best,

Martin Hannigan
ARIN Advisory Council/Member



On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Scott Helms <khelms at zcorum.com> wrote:
> On 4/13/2011 1:33 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>
>> There is not a single ARIN policy for which you are completely unable to
>> engineer a sufficient workaround so as to violate its intent while still
>> preserving some appearance of being close to the letter of the policy.
>
> True, but working around this proposal is trivial AND it fails to provide
> any measurable benefit in the use case I've seen defined.  All requiring a
> network connection and BGP announcements will do is provide a method to see
> who has given space and connectivity to a given "snowshoe" spammer.  The
> problem is that reallocating or reassignment _already_ provides a linkage
> via the WHOIS database.
>
>> This is a consensus-based policy process where adherence to the policy is
>> largely voluntary and where the community functions primarily on the
>> expectation that most entities will act in good faith.
>
> So we're going to create a rule aimed at spammers and operators who sell
> services to them, who are by definition not going to act in good faith, that
> only operators who do work in good faith will abide by and bear the cost of?
>
>> Refusing to make policy more accurately and clearly describe operational
>> practice will
>> benefit the community. Refusing to do so merely because you cannot
>> strictly and
>> reliably enforce the policy in a handful of corner cases, doesn't make
>> much sense.
>>
>
> Again, this proposal does _NOT_ represent current practices.  ARIN has known
> about LIRs providing space without network connectivity for a very long time
> (we've been doing it since 2003) though its not common, nor a problem, in
> the region that ARIN is responsible for.  Out of respect for my customers'
> privacy I won't share their exact networks, but anyone who is curious can
> look at our space and see the reallocations and reassignments.  As I
> mentioned earlier in this thread, ARIN even asked in one of the annual
> surveys about the practice of reallocation without network connectivity so
> framing the practice as something that hasn't been allowed is inaccurate.
>
> http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/ISPAL-4/nets
>
>
>
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