[arin-ppml] Followup: ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Tue May 17 13:43:11 EDT 2011

I'm "shepherding" this proposal and wanted to ask if there were
additional comments. It seems fair to characterize this proposal as
having little support. This would include the author in a followup
message to the AC regarding PP 139.


Martin Hannigan
ARIN Advisory Council/Member

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Scott Helms <khelms at zcorum.com> wrote:
> On 4/13/2011 1:33 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> There is not a single ARIN policy for which you are completely unable to
>> engineer a sufficient workaround so as to violate its intent while still
>> preserving some appearance of being close to the letter of the policy.
> True, but working around this proposal is trivial AND it fails to provide
> any measurable benefit in the use case I've seen defined.  All requiring a
> network connection and BGP announcements will do is provide a method to see
> who has given space and connectivity to a given "snowshoe" spammer.  The
> problem is that reallocating or reassignment _already_ provides a linkage
> via the WHOIS database.
>> This is a consensus-based policy process where adherence to the policy is
>> largely voluntary and where the community functions primarily on the
>> expectation that most entities will act in good faith.
> So we're going to create a rule aimed at spammers and operators who sell
> services to them, who are by definition not going to act in good faith, that
> only operators who do work in good faith will abide by and bear the cost of?
>> Refusing to make policy more accurately and clearly describe operational
>> practice will
>> benefit the community. Refusing to do so merely because you cannot
>> strictly and
>> reliably enforce the policy in a handful of corner cases, doesn't make
>> much sense.
> Again, this proposal does _NOT_ represent current practices.  ARIN has known
> about LIRs providing space without network connectivity for a very long time
> (we've been doing it since 2003) though its not common, nor a problem, in
> the region that ARIN is responsible for.  Out of respect for my customers'
> privacy I won't share their exact networks, but anyone who is curious can
> look at our space and see the reallocations and reassignments.  As I
> mentioned earlier in this thread, ARIN even asked in one of the annual
> surveys about the practice of reallocation without network connectivity so
> framing the practice as something that hasn't been allowed is inaccurate.
> http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/ISPAL-4/nets
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