[arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate

Jonathan Fernatt fernattj at gmail.com
Thu May 12 15:02:56 EDT 2011


>
> >> The addresses will likely flow to a very small number of very well
> capitalized entities in any event... the only question is what type of
> entity they are. In Mike's world they flow to folks who do things like lease
> address space and sell blocks at high prices to people who really need
> them... in your world they flow to the top N ISPs that are experts at
> showing need, aren't constrained by the 3-month rules, and are growing
> sufficiently to justify anything.
> >>
> >
> > I think the results are actually the top N ISPs in both cases eventually.
> The difference is that Mike's resultant value
> > of N tends to be much smaller than mine.
>
> I'd argue the reverse, actually. If there is a needs basis then the top N
> ISPs have an advantage in that they are already experts at manipulating the
> needs basis. (And it really is manipulation, because any of them could
> actually get by with much much less than they already have if the "need"
> took into account things like forcing customers to use NAT)
>
> One could argue, for instance, that *with* a needs basis Comcast might end
> up holding nearly all the space... but without a needs basis it might be an
> investment banking firm instead, who'd then lease the space out to move
> providers than just Comcast.
>
> >
> >> In Mike's world, you can get service from whoever you want but the price
> of space is high... in your world the price of (what is now
> provider-assigned) space is high and your choice of transit providers is
> limited.
> >>
> >
> > I really don't see how you come to these conclusions. My argument is that
> under Mike's proposed policy,
> > your choice of providers would become more limited.
>
> I think you've got it backwards... see above.


I don't think ARIN compares the specified recipients need to that of
Comcast's for example, though. So how would this example apply at all? Am I
misunderstanding the NRPM as written?

Jon
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