[arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate

[Owen DeLong]

On May 11, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Mike Burns wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> Sorry, it was Owen's concept that these numbers had no exclusive right to use, and thus the sale was a legal fiction.

Interesting... John described my concept accurately, but, you came up with some completely different
concept and called it mine.

> (I'm not sure now as the post was long and not included, sorry if I am still being unspecific.)
> I'm sure you know that ip addresses show up as listed assets on asset sales.

I was not denying this.

> Microsoft payed $7.5 million for some addresses.

I was not denying this.

> I'm tired of the academic arguments about their status as just a valueless string of numbers.

It's not an academic argument.

> I suppose I could use 1-800-Flowers on my PBX as an extension number, and that makes those numbers valueless.

I didn't say they didn't have value. I said there was no such thing as an exclusive right to use an
integer.

> Maybe the judge should have said exclusive right to advertise them on BGP?

Even that would be beyond his jurisdiction.

Owen

> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Curran" <jcurran at arin.net>
> To: "Mike Burns" <mike at nationwideinc.com>
> Cc: "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com>; <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate
> 
> 
> On May 11, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Mike Burns wrote:
>> The discourse below belongs in 2009.
>> Events have moved beyond your decisions about what is legal fiction and what is legal fact.
>> You can question the intelligence or judgement of the bankruptcy judge, but not his power or authority.
> 
> Mike -
> 
> Can you be more specific?
> 
> If you are referring to Owen's remark that anyone can make use of any IP
> addresses that they wish in the configuration of their own equipment, I
> am unaware of any framework which would allow enforcement of a federal
> order which specified that "thou shall not configure equipment with IP
> address block x.y.z/nn, because exclusive use of it in configuration
> files of all devices in the global Internet has been given to party ABC"
> 
> It is an interesting exercise to consider how such a contractual right
> could ever be provided, given the distributed nature of the Internet.
> 
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>