[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed May 4 14:59:47 EDT 2011


On May 4, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:

> 
> On May 4, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>> On May 3, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
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>>> I do not see how someone can operate a business that will still need IPv4 addresses in order to function and yet be limited to only getting three months at a time via transfer when their competitors are allowed to get 12 months at a time via transfer.
>>> 
>>> Sure... back when there was a free pool, making them jump through the extra hoops every 3 months to show that they're doing the right thing makes (some) sense... but once there isn't, every time they get space might be their last.
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>>> 
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>> I don't see how someone can expect to operate a business that will still need additional IPv4 addresses.
> 
> So then why do you care what the needs criteria is for IPv4?
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> For the next several years there will be businesses, existing and new, that will need IPv4 addresses in order to be reachable on the IPv4 Internet. There are addresses out there, that for enough money people would take the time to part with in order to fulfill the requirements during these next several years. Your position is that we should make it as unfair as possible to as many people as possible who might be on the "need" side of this equation, as far as I can tell.
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> Matthew Kaufman

I suppose I should have been less succinct and more clear.

I don't think that bring a new business that is IPv4-dependent forth and counting on some form of
continued availability of IPv4 resources is in any way going to be a viable business plan beyond
IPv4 free pool exhaustion.

Your assertion that there are addresses out there for the right price is true for a rather limited
time and a relatively small quantity of addresses in my estimation.

My position is that we should make it as fair as possible to as many people as possible who
might be on the need side of this equation by limiting the amount that any one organization
can obtain at a time through this process to their reasonably projected need for a limited
time in much the same way we have also limited the distribution of the pre-runout
free pool.

Your argument is that we should allow anyone with enough money to grab as much of the
resources as they can as quickly as they can and preclude any future entrants.

As such, I'm finding it hard to understand how you consider my argument to maximize
unfairness or believe that yours is in any way more fair.

Owen

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