[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-146 Clarify Justified Need for Transfers

[Owen DeLong]

On May 3, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:

> On 5/3/2011 3:33 PM, John Springer wrote:
>> I oppose  proposal ARIN-prop-146.
>> Comments inline.
>> 
>> On Tue, 3 May 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> 
>>> On May 2, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 5/2/2011 8:47 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome to the post-run-out world. Why should we let you acquire more space now and deny that
>>>>> space to someone else who has justified need now?
>>>> 
>>>> Because I can afford it and have taken the time to find a seller.
>>>> 
>>>> Or were you planning on enacting price controls on the market as well?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> No, I think justified need is the only required control on the market. I don't see a need for price
>>> controls, but, I do see a need to ensure that people like you do not get excessive address
>>> space just because you have greater financial resources vs. others who need it now, but
>>> have lesser financial resources.
>> 
>> <bows to Owen>
>> 
>> I see a need to ensure that people who have greater resources do not get more additional address space than others who also need it, but have lesser resources.
>> 
>> Basically, what is being proposed here, stripped of a lot of heat and light is an environment where more resources is a much better advantage than currently.
>> 
>> Who wouldn't want that?
> 
> I don't have a problem with justified need for transfers. I *do* have a problem with creating large sets of people who can't even *use* transfers to fulfill their needs because the 3-month limit *they* are subject to is a lot different operationally than the 12-month limit the rest of the transfer recipients are subject to.
> 
> I do not see how someone can operate a business that will still need IPv4 addresses in order to function and yet be limited to only getting three months at a time via transfer when their competitors are allowed to get 12 months at a time via transfer.
> 
> Sure... back when there was a free pool, making them jump through the extra hoops every 3 months to show that they're doing the right thing makes (some) sense... but once there isn't, every time they get space might be their last.
> 
> Matthew Kaufman

I don't see how someone can expect to operate a business that will still need additional IPv4 addresses.

Owen