[arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2011-1 - Inter-RIR Transfers - Shepherd's Inquiry

[Bill Darte]

As you know I have proposed alternate language that tries to incorporate
some things and eliminate others that are controversial.  I have done
this because I sense that stalemate still exists on the current DP and
while I absolutely support and encourage Owen in his interest for
bringing it to another vote, I don't see it being sent to last call.  My
effort is parallel and aimed at Philly.

I welcome your new ideas on what I believe is the chief obstacle of
needs-based policy in recipient RIRs.   Personally and for the
record...all this is still deck chairs for me.  I think that even in the
short to intermediate term this wrangling only affects the Internet
governance issue.  

Few will recall, but I openly advocated for accepting 2009-3 in its
original format as I believed it was insignificant in consequence and
not doing so had many undesirous effects.

So, again, I welcome the discussion of the pros and cons of the whole
issue top to bottom.

Thanks!

bd 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Scott Leibrand
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:42 AM
> To: Martin Hannigan
> Cc: arin ppml; Robert E. Seastrom
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2011-1 - Inter-RIR 
> Transfers - Shepherd's Inquiry
> 
> As much as I support inter-RIR transfers, and agree with 
> Chris that we had strong support for this at San Juan, I 
> think Marty is right that opinion on PPML is much more 
> divided. I personally think that is because of the moderating 
> and pragmaticizing influence of in-person discussion, not 
> because overall sentiment has changed. But regardless, I 
> won't oppose sending it for another round of discussion in Philly.
> 
> After Thursday, I also plan to float some other ideas (which 
> we've discussed here on the AC list) on PPML for inter-RIR 
> transfer policy that avoids the requirement for needs-based 
> local transfer policy at the receiving RIR. I think that will 
> be necessary to actually allow any inter-RIR transfers to 
> APNIC. Since the current proposals are no-ops unless APNIC 
> changes their transfer policy in Busan, I'm ok waiting to 
> discuss them at Philly as well.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Jun 22, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Martin Hannigan 
> <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Chris Grundemann 
> > <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 15:08, Martin Hannigan 
> <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I guess I'm not clear on what the consensus looks like at 
> this point 
> >>> since I'm under the impression that there is a 
> significant lack of 
> >>> support community wise.
> >>
> >> From the straw poll at the PPM in San Juan (116 in the room):
> >> 1) 2011-1 as written? 18 in favor, 11 against
> >> 2) The principle of creating an inter-RIR transfer policy? 41 in 
> >> favor, 1 against
> >> 3) The principle of a needs-based inter-RIR transfer policy? 36 in 
> >> favor, 2 against
> >>
> >> I believe that is exactly what rough consensus looks like. I am 
> >> forced to characterize that as a _significant *show* of 
> support_ and 
> >> denounce your claim to the contrary.
> >>
> >>> But fair enough. Considering the lack of support overall 
> though, I'd 
> >>> strongly suggest abandonment as a serious issue for continued AC 
> >>> discussion.
> >>
> >> Repeating a falsehood does not make it so. The community 
> as a whole 
> >> has very clearly asked us to work on this policy.
> >
> > With the current commentary in the thread offers a much different 
> > picture. If you're saying that today and commenting on this 
> proposal 
> > now we have consensus. you are incorrect.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > -M<
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