[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-155 IPv4 Number Resources for Use Within Region

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Fri Jul 8 06:20:15 EDT 2011


Not much more needs to be said.

Not in favor.

Best,

-M<
On Jul 6, 2011 9:01 PM, "Tony Hain" <alh-ietf at tndh.net> wrote:
> Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
>> William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> writes:
>>
>> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:24 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>> >> ARIN-prop-155 IPv4 Number Resources for Use Within Region
>> >
>> > Oppose as written.
>>
>> I wrote this proposal as a starting point, and expected plenty of
>> spirited discussion surrounding it. Didn't expect that it would be
>> quite so overwhelmingly "oppose", but those are the breaks.
>
> Were you hoping for something more along the lines of:
> "this is nothing more than human nature at its worst, hoarding in the face
> of shortage"
>
> If it is not clear, I oppose as written, as well as the basic premise that
> one 'needs to protect a regional asset'. The RIRs were not created to be
> islands, they are supposed to be facilitators in distributing the global
> address pool asset. The stewardship component of that is intended to
> preclude hoarding, not be the basis for regional isolationism.
>
> It is absolutely absurd that 'the richest' (in context) region should even
> have the discussion about how to prevent 'outsiders' from acquiring
> resources in the face of famine. Given behavior like this, the appropriate
> thing to do is change IANA policy to allow sub-/8 allocations, then recall
> all outstanding space and manage the remaining pool under a common policy
of
> global fulfillment of need. Children fighting over toys in the sandbox are
> better behaved ...
>
> At the end of the day, this policy mindset is unenforceable for future
> allocations, and does nothing to preclude an organization with existing
> resources from moving those outside the region to use the new ones
locally.
> Get over it, IPv4 is dead; and being the most obnoxious buzzard that
> protects the last of the scraps from others is not 'stewardship'.
>
> Tony
>
>
>>
>> Unfortunately there are no easy answers to a lot of the concerns that
>> folks have raised as reasons for opposing it. It would be extremely
>> easy to go down the rat-hole of trying to dictate operational
>> constraints by making the policy statement 4x as large, and what would
>> happen is that ultimately some creative person would figure out a
>> loophole and all of our efforts would be for naught until the next
>> policy cycle, at which point we'd probably be overtaken by events.
>> The Board doesn't like such policy proposals and will surely remand
>> them for further discussion, at which point we end up kind of hosed
>> because of the aforementioned cycle.
>>
>> I believe that we ought to have a policy to address the situation you
>> elucidate below. That's why I wrote this proposal. Sussing out where
>> the community wants to take this (or even if collectively we want to
>> ignore the rising tide of opportunities for abuse and just be
>> fatalistic about v4 exhaustion) is part of the whole point of the PDP.
>> Discussion and modification encouraged.
>>
>> > However, I do think Robert has identified a legitimate problem.
>>
>> As much as I would like to take credit for original thought, word on
>> the street is that others have already "identified" it. :-(
>>
>> > It costs less than $5000/year to establish and maintain a US
>> > corporation.
>>
>> It can be done for an order of magnitude less.
>>
>> > If I'm a French or Japanese telco, what policy stops me from creating
>> > a Delaware ISP subsidiary whose sole existence is acquiring ARIN IP
>> > addresses and assigning them for well documented use in my European
>> or
>> > Asian operations?
>>
>> You tell me. ;-)
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> -r
>>
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