[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-155 IPv4 Number Resources for Use Within Region
mysidia at gmail.com
Wed Jul 6 21:17:02 EDT 2011
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Tony Hain <alh-ietf at tndh.net> wrote:
> Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
>> William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> writes:
>> > Oppose as written.
>> I wrote this proposal as a starting point, and expected plenty of
>> spirited discussion surrounding it. Didn't expect that it would be
>> quite so overwhelmingly "oppose", but those are the breaks.
Oppose as written... means just that.. I am strongly in favor of the
concept, but see overwhelming issues with the current text or criteria
of the proposal, and they can be fixed by revising the proposal.
Realistically, it is wasteful for a global organization to have to deal
with every RIR and prove every single address is being used in the
region that allocated it. And this results in inefficient usage of IP
address space, since now multiple allocations would be required
from multiple RIRs, for such orgs,
There must be a way to eliminate the abuse cases without throwing
out the common behavior, of multi-nationals having networks that
cross national borders and utilize ARIN IPs for some networks outside
Instead ARIN should set reasonable restrictions and limits to
prevent or minimize RIR shopping, or obtaining resource allocations
from ARIN with an intention of using a majority of the resources in
networks outside the geographic region the resources are assigned to.
With the policy objective of limiting abuse; or "finding an excuse" to apply
for resources from ARIN, due to exhaustion of resources in the proper RIR
to allocate the resources.
> Were you hoping for something more along the lines of:
> "this is nothing more than human nature at its worst, hoarding in the face
> of shortage"
We are not referring to "hoarding". Every RIR has organizations in
region that require all the resources of that RIR; every RIR's resources
will be allocated at a certain rate and rapidly exhausted.
Hoarding implies collecting some resources you don't need -- but
mathematically, orgs in ARIN region need all the resources within
a specific amount of time, or ARIN would not have been allocated
the resources in the first place.
It is basically impossible for anything ARIN does to be "hoarding,"
short of stopping allocations, or applying a rationing criteria such
as APNIC's last /8 policy, that could be considered hoarding.
The amount of addresses that were applied for and received by each
RIR are based on the need of allocating addresses within that region.
ARIN resources will be exhausted with no RIR shopping at all.
> If it is not clear, I oppose as written, as well as the basic premise that
> one 'needs to protect a regional asset'. The RIRs were not created to be
> islands, they are supposed to be facilitators in distributing the global
> address pool asset. The stewardship component of that is intended to
Each RIR is a facilitator in distributing IP addresses
to networks and registries WITHIN that RIR's region.
A RIR is not designed to be a facilitator in distributing IP addresses
or setting addressing policy for networks in other regions.
It is entirely appropriate that ARIN adopt a policy similar to 155.
With the right modifications, I would support 155.
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