[arin-ppml] End non-public IPv4 assignments?

[John Santos]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Jimmy Hess wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Jack Bates <jbates at brightok.net> wrote:
> > On 1/24/2011 8:40 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >> IP addresses are for hosts which connect to other hosts using the
> >> TCP/IP protocol. You cannot use TCP/IP without IP addresses.
> > Can't we just say IP = Internet Protocol
> > use of IP = use of Internet. :)
> 
> That all-inclusive abstracted/fabricated definition of  internet
> belies the obvious one. IP is the standard protocol of the internet;
> but if you use IP and do not interconnect  to many networks, then your
> use is not internet.     That use is IP,  and no more internet than
> dialing up a BBS over a modem for a one-on-one connection;   the RIRs
> purpose of existence is to provide stewardship of address space for
> the community,   not  to ensure resources for everyone who wants to
> use IP.
> 
> The policy is about non-connected networks.  The networks that want to
> use IP but   have no intention to interconnect. The community behind
> ARIN is by far one that does interconnect.     Interconnection is
> viewed as a   pre-requisite  for  being part of the community.
> That is..  until you decide to connect your network,  it's just a
> private castle,  you can use IPX for all the world cares.
> 

I **AM** interconnected.  I'm just not interconnected to YOU.

My network is a legacy Class C, it's all the IPv4 I need now and for the
foreeable future.  So I don't care personally.  But there are other
companies in similar situations.  Some may need more IPv4, some may
be startups who need an initial allocation.

If my use of IPv4 to interconnect with my customers is not legitimate
as any other use of unique global addresses, then neither is my
customers usage.  They are much bigger than I am, would have thousands
of times as many hosts to renumber, and have large legal staffs.
Don't go there!

> 
> Networks using IP for internal communications with no plan to ever
> interconnect globally are  "secondary users"  of IP address space.
> There are few/no known networks that actually fall under this policy,
>  but the policy is also wide open for various abuses,  due to the
> unverifiable nature of unconnected networks.
> 
> Non-connected networks can use private RFC1918 addressing while
> non-connected, and then renumber their networks later  into address
> space assigned by their ISP,   if they do  decide to redesign and
> interconnect.

If I and my customers were to do this, it would almost certainly
violate antitrust laws, and the defense would be ARIN isn't doing
its job.  You don't have a clue what kind of can of worms you are
opening here.

> 
> Or they could be allowed to apply for and receive needed IP addressing
> for their non-connected network from a LIR  (ISP) in their  area.

If we can't justify need, how could an LIR justify need based on
serving our need?  And how would doing this in anyway reduce the
demand on the IPv4 free pool?

> 
> 
> > Jack
> -- 
> -JH
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John Santos
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