[arin-ppml] 125

[Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo]

I've been following this "125" discussioni with great interest, and I
do believe that policy initiatives that ensure that the last portions
of IPv4 space are used wisely are badly needed accross all regions. I
do not intend to emit opinion on the proposal as I am not a member nor
work for a member of ARIN.

What I do want to say is that I do not believe in conspiracy theories.
What has been said about "becoming consultants" can be said about
almost any technology and for all the big changes the TCP/IP stack has
seen over the years.

What about CIDR? Surely there was a lot of interest at the time on
small / meds on hiring people to explain to them those pesky
255.255.255.224 thingies, and I am sure that a lot of people made
money on these consulting jobs. Sadly I was too young at the time, I
might have been one of those :-)

Is there anything wrong with that? I don't think so. We all agree that
IPv6 is the way to move forward, and yes, some people will make money
out of it. The good thing here is that almost everybody that wishes so
can be part of this. There is no hidden monopoly here, no "owning the
means of production" to protect. Everything you need is a few Google
searches away.

And yes, I do believe Neil Armstrong walked the moon :-)

cheers!

Carlos

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Vaughn Thurman - Swift Systems
<vaughn at swiftsystems.com> wrote:
> Though I shudder to consider the responses I may get, and truly do not suggest any intentional bad play, it still needs to be said:
>
> Some of the folks who are pushing this have potential alterior motives, such as being IPv6 consultants, authors/content providers, speakers, trainers, service providers, etc.
>
> Consider this possible subconscious but nefarious thought:  "The slow market adoption rates among the small and mids, who most often need outside talent to adopt new technologies, are running counter to desired market conditions. So, wouldn't it be nice if we could use ARIN to force the issue and create an unnatural bubble of demand?"
>
> This is why there is so much hidden, and potentially discrediting danger in having ARIN become a behavioral modification tool that benefits some at the direct expense of others.  Even the idea of it is risky.
>
> IPv6 is available.  When IPv4 is depleted, the change will come soon enough as a result of market forces. However, many providers who manage their networks efficiently, or who believe that they can manage in the transfer market for a while, etc., may be desiring to wait out the storm, and then deploy IPv6 when costs are more inline, and/or needed talent is more readily available.   Wise or not, that seems an autonomous operational right.  But, this policy would (or could be perceived to) hoist an economic burden on them counter to thier own best interest, potentially leading to ill will as they find themselves forced to hire one of us to help them implement IPv6 earlier than needed.  In fact, what if they have already decided to sell at this point, say to another provider, because they don't feel like going through this? What if they just don't want to deal with this right now for health or other reasons, which among many others are all legit concerns for small and medium pro
>  viders.
>
> Does ARIN's charter really include the power to force certain protocols, technical implementations, or even a limited pool of consultants onto businesses and organizations that request address space?
>
> And, even if you say yes (and I would assert a strong "no" when those requirements are not related to the requested items), don't we run the risk of appearing self-serving?
>
> </philosophical thinking>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 4.1.3.1 Dual-Stack
>>> Dual-stack refers to configuring both an IPv4 and an IPv6 address or
>>> network together on the same network infrastructure.
>>
>> While the revision has  significant improvements,   I  still  do not
>> support PP125 or the petition.
>>
>> The main remaining problem is it still requires an IPv6 network to be
>> configured, which is onerous;   ARIN's  role is not to lay down law
>> about which protocols applicants use on their networks,  only  to
>> provide addresses, based on the reasonable need-based criteria,
>> such as the RFC 2050 guidelines.
>>
>> There are still  forseeable situations  such as  non-connected
>> networks,  where IPv6 addressing may not be needed or desired.
>>
>> One way to remedy would be to replace  the "Dual Stack"  criteria
>> with a  "Dual Assignment" criteria.
>> And specify that IPv6 addresses merely have to be reserved for devices
>> or interfaces  for use in the future,  that the  addresses do not have
>> to actually be configured or routed  at the time of application.
>>
>>
>> That  should reduce the barrier required for the applicant and ARIN in
>> the future,  for IPv6 deployment,  and give a "nudge" without ARIN
>> getting into the business of trying to regulate  the architecture and
>> choice of protocols IP network implementations.
>>
>> --
>> -J
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