[arin-ppml] Fraud or not?

[Mark Kosters]

On 2/16/11 4:05 PM, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>Output, sure. However, the web-based one is much stricter and less
>intelligent about parsing queries and THAT is the primary problem I'm
>having.
>
>Instead of realizing that the old "AS10912" query means the same
>thing to the user as the new arcane syntax "a 10912" (which the
>old version did just fine), the new version neither fails nor works
>consistently (or at least the behavior appears very inconsistent
>until you begin to understand an additional arcane set of rules).

Owen 

Legacy whois service has had a very interesting search properties. It
depends on clients if you have a hit or miss depending on the format of
another field or how "smart" the whois client tries to be. The directory
service works consistently if do the "A <as number>" => matches on As
number. The directory service works consistently doing "AS<Number>" if
"AS<Number>" is the handle.  Both will come back with hits.

Here is an example for  querying an  AS number registered as a range
(701-705). 

Whois -h whois.arin.net <http://whois.arin.net/> "AS701" works (matches
the handle)
Whois ­h whois.arin.net <http://whois.arin.net/> "a 701" works ­ matches
the as number
Whois ­h whois.arin.net <http://whois.arin.net/> "AS702" fails (no handle).
Whois ­h whois.arin.net <http://whois.arin.net/> "a 702" works ­ matches
on the as number.

 
ARIN was very careful to replicate most of the functionality in the legacy
whois service ­ including some of the oddities. Differences were
documented and placed on the website at
https://www.arin.net/resources/whoisrws/whois_diff.html.

If you prefer to move away from that, you are welcome to use the RESTful
interface. In this case, the answer would be (using xmllint to create a
nice output):
  xmllint --format http://whois.arin.net/rest/asn/<AS NUMBER> .
For example, finding the AS 694 would be:
  xmllint --format http://whois.arin.net/rest/asn/693

Feel free to ask additional questions to arin-tech-discuss at arin.net.

Regards,
Mark Kosters
ARIN CTO
 













>
>The actual result is:
>
>    1.    Some command line clients do the translation for you.
>        (good for them, but, not universal)
>
>    2.    If you query ASnnnnn, then, whether you get a good
>        result back or not depends on whether or not ASnnnnn
>        is the handle for the resource. If I were to create
>        an AS Number record, for example, named AS105,
>        but, which was actually AS693, then, I would get
>        the following odd mixture:
>
>        Query                Result
>        AS105                Record for AS693
>        AS693                Nothing
>        a 105                Record for AS105
>        a 693                Record for AS693
>
>        (Assuming that my client doesn't alter my queries
>        unexpectedly).
>
>I shouldn't have to become an expert in whois arcana to survive
>navigating whois for simple everyday queries.
>
>Owen
>
>On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>> So do I - but, I will say that once they finally get their web-based one
>> to work, it should not be too difficult to write a command line Perl
>> script that talks to their web server and outputs like the older
>>command line tool did.
>> 
>> Ted
>> 
>> On 2/15/2011 11:41 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> I really wish ARIN would make the command line whois work as well as
>>> it used to instead of focusing all their energy on the (much less
>>>convenient
>>> much higher overhead from the user perspective) web-based one.
>>> 
>>> Owen
>>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette
>>>> <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    www.robtex.com <http://www.robtex.com/> says that AS10912 belongs
>>>>    to Internap.
>>>> 
>>>>    whois.arin.net <http://whois.arin.net/> says that there ain't no
>>>>    such AS.
>>>> 
>>>>    So, should I file a formal report charging Internap with fradulent
>>>>use
>>>>    of resources that are not actually assigned to them? Or is it more
>>>>    likely that ARIN has simply (and entirely) misplaced the WHOIS
>>>>record
>>>>    for AS10912?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It looks like it's only the traditional whois tool that is failing.
>>>> The web tool at arin.net <http://arin.net/> reports it as part of
>>>> INTERNAP-BLK, which covers ASNs 10910 - 10913.
>>>> 
>>>> http://whois.arin.net/rest/asn/AS10910/pft
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect your message will be enough to get ARIN to fix the whois
>>>> port 43 service shortly. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> -Scott
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