[arin-ppml] Fraud or not?

[Owen DeLong]

Output, sure. However, the web-based one is much stricter and less
intelligent about parsing queries and THAT is the primary problem I'm
having.

Instead of realizing that the old "AS10912" query means the same
thing to the user as the new arcane syntax "a 10912" (which the
old version did just fine), the new version neither fails nor works
consistently (or at least the behavior appears very inconsistent
until you begin to understand an additional arcane set of rules).

The actual result is:

	1.	Some command line clients do the translation for you.
		(good for them, but, not universal)

	2.	If you query ASnnnnn, then, whether you get a good
		result back or not depends on whether or not ASnnnnn
		is the handle for the resource. If I were to create
		an AS Number record, for example, named AS105,
		but, which was actually AS693, then, I would get
		the following odd mixture:

		Query				Result
		AS105				Record for AS693
		AS693				Nothing
		a 105				Record for AS105
		a 693				Record for AS693

		(Assuming that my client doesn't alter my queries
		unexpectedly).

I shouldn't have to become an expert in whois arcana to survive
navigating whois for simple everyday queries.

Owen

On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> So do I - but, I will say that once they finally get their web-based one
> to work, it should not be too difficult to write a command line Perl
> script that talks to their web server and outputs like the older command line tool did.
> 
> Ted
> 
> On 2/15/2011 11:41 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I really wish ARIN would make the command line whois work as well as
>> it used to instead of focusing all their energy on the (much less convenient
>> much higher overhead from the user perspective) web-based one.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette
>>> <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    www.robtex.com <http://www.robtex.com/> says that AS10912 belongs
>>>    to Internap.
>>> 
>>>    whois.arin.net <http://whois.arin.net/> says that there ain't no
>>>    such AS.
>>> 
>>>    So, should I file a formal report charging Internap with fradulent use
>>>    of resources that are not actually assigned to them? Or is it more
>>>    likely that ARIN has simply (and entirely) misplaced the WHOIS record
>>>    for AS10912?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It looks like it's only the traditional whois tool that is failing.
>>> The web tool at arin.net <http://arin.net/> reports it as part of
>>> INTERNAP-BLK, which covers ASNs 10910 - 10913.
>>> 
>>> http://whois.arin.net/rest/asn/AS10910/pft
>>> 
>>> I suspect your message will be enough to get ARIN to fix the whois
>>> port 43 service shortly. :-)
>>> 
>>> -Scott
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