[arin-ppml] Use of the specified transfer policy

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Tue Feb 15 13:55:11 EST 2011

John and Martin,

John, I think one possible difficulty on the fraud issue is that unlike
both the civil and criminal justice system (in the united states, at any
rate) none of the fraud proceedings are public.

If someone submits fraud evidence or even a strong suspicion based on 
research in the whois database + direct experience, is there feedback?
Are they included in the investigation?  If there is wrongdoing 
discovered are they informed of any punishments meted out?  Without 
this, it is understandable that people would feel fraud reports are 
going into a black hole - and the lack of publicity also does not create 
examples of what is and what isn't allowed.  Most human beings learn by 

Martin, keep in mind that ARIN has no legal contract between it and
a true "Legacy" resource holder as they never signed anything with them,
and ARIN is not a governmental body.  It thus has little ability to 
bring proceedings against a legacy holder who is violating ARIN's


On 2/15/2011 10:37 AM, John Curran wrote:
> On Feb 15, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>>> The transfer policy applies to all resources in ARIN's Whois Database.
>>> If you are aware of an attempt to contravene number resource policy,
>>> please submit a fraud report here:<https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/index.html>
>>> and we'll take care of it.
>> I would, but it appears that we're all disconnected as to what fraud
>> with respect to legacy resources actually is:
>> https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/third_quarter_2010.html
> Could you elaborate?  We've been improving the reporting, but certainly
> need additional feedback regarding this process.
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
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