[arin-ppml] "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Sat Feb 5 00:04:44 EST 2011

On 2/4/2011 6:28 PM, Jack Bates wrote:
>>>> 2. Address leasing is not allowed. Must get your addresses from a
>>>> primary or at least major bandwidth provider. Addresses found to be
>>>> leased or provided in with a paper-tiger transit arrangement are
>>>> subject to reclamation by ARIN.
> Okay. Can't find the original. This is just horrid. You do know that
> ISPs actually enjoy maintaining customers who have no desire to renumber
> out of IP addresses they were assigned?
> I keep a sprint circuit when they can't meet my bandwidth requirements.
> I have some nice /20's from them that are so deeply entrenched by
> business customers and other ISPs, I'll NEVER renumber out of them.

But don't you see that this situation isn't going to go away under IPv6?

You have circuits today from networks that meet your requirements. 
Let's assume that you don't have your own numbers and so you get numbers
from them.  10 years from now, you have deployed those IPv6 numbers to 
business customers who don't want to renumber and those networks are
no longer meeting your needs - and you will be in exactly the same position.

Every ISP that goes from LIR-assigned numbers to their own numbers goes 
through this.  I went through it myself.  I also went through it again 
when we acquired an ISP.  In both cases I renumbered instead of keeping 
old circuits going.  And with the benefit of hindsight today, I think 
the decisions I made to renumber instead of keeping old circuits going 
were some of the smarter decisions I have made.


> Here's to hoping they go away when IPv6 is more prevalent. However, if I
> continue to grow my bandwidth needs and sprint still cannot keep up with
> me, I will downgrade to a token link (DS3 perhaps, and I can still let
> sprint directs use it) which I must maintain so they don't gripe about
> me keeping the networks.

> Jack
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