[arin-ppml] "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers (was: Re: And so it ends... )

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Fri Feb 4 09:36:24 EST 2011


On 2/4/11, Jeff Aitken <jaitken at aitken.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 03:04:36PM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> > 2. Address leasing is not allowed. Must get your addresses from a
>> > primary or at least major bandwidth provider. Addresses found to be
>> > leased or provided in with a paper-tiger transit arrangement are
>> > subject to reclamation by ARIN.
>> > Cons: Unenforceable.
>> >
>> Not entirely true.
>> It may be difficult to enforce, but, it is not unenforceable.
> Owen,
> For all practical purposes, it is unenforceable.  ARIN cannot make a
> meaningful distinction between "you buy a T1 and you get a /X" and
> "you buy a GRE tunnel and you get a /X".
> More to the point, I don't want ARIN to waste time trying to do so.  IMO
> ARIN should be working to ensure two things:
> 1. that the barriers to v6 adoption are as low as we can make them, and
> 2. that the database be as accurate as we can make it.
> The market will handle the rest, including the issue of putting unused IPv4
> addresses to use.  To borrow a phrase from Randy, I don't want a bunch of
> ametuer regulators attempting to decide what constitutes "connectivity".
>> If that's the best you can do in the con column for this idea, I think
>> keeping things this way is vastly superior to your proposed option 1.
> Option #1 is reality, today, and let's not pretend otherwise.
>> > 3. Any multihomed registrant using an ARIN AS number and SWIPed for at
>> > least one year with a /24 or larger is entitled to convert the
>> > registration to an ARIN direct assignment upon filing the proper
>> > paperwork.  Refusing SWIP or assigning addresses out of region is
>> > grounds for reclamation.
>> I have to admit this third option is interesting and has some appeal.
> Agreed, although I would remove the threat of reclamation because I don't
> think this is something ARIN needs to regulate.  The commercial agreements
> between the parties should spell out the expected behavior, including
> whether or not the addresses may be transferred to the lessee, and under
> what conditions.
> Let's do what we can to make sure that the database is accurate, and focus
> our efforts on v6 going forward.
> --Jeff
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