[arin-ppml] Borders sells their /16 block

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Wed Dec 7 17:28:35 EST 2011


Oops, cross click..  sorry list..
Kevin


 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Kargel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 4:26 PM
> To: 'Martin Hannigan'; Benson Schliesser
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net (arin-ppml at arin.net)
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Borders sells their /16 block
> 
> Done
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> > Behalf Of Martin Hannigan
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 4:22 PM
> > To: Benson Schliesser
> > Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net (arin-ppml at arin.net)
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Borders sells their /16 block
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Benson Schliesser
> <bensons at queuefull.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Dec 6, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Chris Engel wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Full sentence:
> > >>> "While the Debtors believe that this Court has the authority to
> > authorize
> > >>> the sale of the Internet Addresses over any such objection by ARIN,
> > the
> > >>> IA Sale contains a condition of ARIN's consent and the proposed
> order
> > >>> incorporates various protections of ARIN's rights, which moots any
> > need
> > >>> to consider any of these issues."
> > >>
> > >> Sounds like pretty reasonable wording to me. In the first part they
> > don't concede anything, just in case something bizarre happened where
> they
> > did want to try to proceed without ARIN.  In the second they avoid all
> > that mess by opting to make sure they get ARIN's approval for the
> > transaction regardless (which is pretty sensible in preserving the value
> > of the assets).  If they didn't put in the "While the Debtors
> believe..."
> > part it'd probably be alot tougher for them to try to make a case to
> > proceed without ARIN, IF they felt they needed to do so for some reason.
> > By putting that in, it simply looks like their trying to preserve their
> > options.
> > >>
> >
> >
> > I was just thinking and in this context it was about how to additional
> > monetize IPv4 assets. At this point I'd be looking at _all_ bankruptcy
> > proceedings to make sure that nothing has been lost in "registration"
> > and insuring that parties knew about lost v4 assets and perhaps
> > conducting business on a finders fee basis. It sort of dawned on me
> > that this would apply to non-legacy space for transfer as well,
> > wouldn't it? I mean, if you can sell legacy assets without
> > interference from ARIN for the most part, can't you also transfer
> > non-legacy assets without too much interference from ARIN? While there
> > is an agreement (and I'll sign up for your IANAL disclaimer as well
> > and I hope other non lawyers may too), but there seems to be a
> > distinct possibility that this has far more implications than just
> > legacy addresses, at least in bankruptcy.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > -M<
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