[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-156 Update 8.3 to allow inter-RIR transfers

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Aug 24 16:38:59 EDT 2011


On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:

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> My reading of your techliberation article suggests to me that you are in favor of  "driving v4 address blocks out of the RIR system."
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> Not at all, I am trying to save the RIRs from themselves.
> (Wish me luck, my damsel in distress hates my guts and seems to prefer the company of the fire-breathing dragon. Occasionally I am tempted to let her burn…but I usually chivalry prevails)
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Milton,

Believe it or not, not everyone who disagrees with you or does not share your extreme libertarian point of view on how things do or should work is in distress or in danger from a fire breathing dragon. In fact, to our perspective, the future you would create for us breathes much more fire than any we might embrace.

> In terms of "thinking outside of the box" I'd be happy NOT to even entertain the notion of inter-regional transfers.  If we want the v6 transition to accelerate, there has got to be demand for v6.  If v4 is available, then that dampens the need for v6, no?
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> See what I mean?
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> No, Tim, erecting an artificial brick wall in the road to v4 availability will not push people into v6, given that adopting v6 in the intermediate term also requires more v4 under the dual stack transition approach. Trying to prevent any inter-regional transfers would be one of the most effective strategies ever to drive blocks out of the RIR system.

If you dismantle the RIR system in the process of attempting to retain blocks within it, then, there is no RIR system left to contain the blocks. While this appears to be well in line with your actual goals (private registries, chaos, etc.), I don't consider it a desirable outcome.

Owen

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