[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-156 Update 8.3 to allow inter-RIR transfers

Milton L Mueller mueller at syr.edu
Wed Aug 24 10:52:49 EDT 2011

Good questions from Paul, and useful answers from John. However, one should be willing to think outside the box and raise more fundamental questions about the long-term viability of a regional IR model, as a opposed to a more integrated global one.  The issues Herrin raised about reciprocity are pertinent. It also raises questions about the wisdom of trying to retain "needs assessments" in the current environment. Many (not all) of the complications associated with inter-regional transfers would go away if we simply did away with or dramatically simplified and harmonized the concept of needs assessments. 

Milton L. Mueller
Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
Internet Governance Project

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of John Curran
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:13 PM
> To: Paul Wilson
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net List
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-156 Update 8.3 to allow inter-RIR
> transfers
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Paul Wilson wrote:
> > I have some practical questions about this policy proposal.
> Hi Paul!   (Welcome to the PPML discussion)
> I will attempt to answer your questions (recognizing that a
> formal staff assessment is still to be done.)
> > Is it proposed that ARIN staff would conduct a full need-based assessment
> of the each recipient, even in another region, including examination of all
> prior allocations?
> This is not specified in the policy proposal as specifically being
> done by ARIN or the recipient RIR, so it could be done by either.
> > Has there been any consideration of the cost and practicality of this
> approach?
> Not by ARIN staff (yet)
> The approach is unspecified at this time, making analysis of the
> cost and practicality rather difficult.  ARIN staff will have to
> specify how it would implement the policy proposal when preparing
> the staff assessment, but at this time is it quite unclear.
> > Is it possible that a recipient would be asked to pay ARIN to cover the cost
> of this service?
> That is definitely possible, but quite suboptimal as it would require
> ARIN to routine engage in financial transactions with parties outside
> the service region.
> > Would a registration services agreement be required with ARIN?
> ARIN provides registration services in a specific geographic region
> and hence a requirement to agreements for registration services with
> parties outside the region would also be quite suboptimal.
> Without additional clarity (either in the policy proposal or filled in
> during the staff assessment), it is very uncertain how proposal-16
> would be implemented.  This is in contrast to draft policy 2011-1,
> which when processing transfers would simply require ARIN to confirm
> the transfer with the recipient's RIR.
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
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