[arin-ppml] Call for a study & survey to obtain necessary information for policy development

Jeffrey Lyon jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net
Sat Apr 30 20:48:06 EDT 2011

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 8:28 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>>   contains a specific call for ARIN to charter a study including
>>   a survey in order to obtain additional information to assist in
>>   policy development.
>>   I've not seen any discussion of this suggestion; would it be
>>   possible to get feedback from the otherwise shy participants
>>   on the PPML mailing list?
>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
>>> what we should do is
>>> charter ARIN to conduct a comprehensive study and:
>>> - Conduct a survey of the public at large, PPML users, full members,
>>> resource holders, and the AC to gain a clear understanding of
>>> sentiment for or against an open market.
>>> - Determine how many companies actually have IPv6 migration plans and
>>> ascertain road blocks, either legitimate or financial, that are
>>> preventing migration.
>>> - Would resource holders support a model that allowed ARIN to take a
>>> small commission on resource sales and then discontinue the practice
>>> of charging an annual fee to its members who are not buying and
>>> selling resources.
> These seem like they could be determined by survey.
>>> - In the survey, ask IPv4 resource holders to anonymously disclose
>>> their true utilization rates and determine if companies are hoarding
>>> resources either in hopes of future resale or to cover an arbitrary
>>> future need.
>>> - Determine the amount of participants that would come forward if told
>>> they could resell their space on the open market and ultimately
>>> determine how much unneeded space is being locked away in loosely
>>> justified allocations.
>>> - Determine if resource holders would be encouraged to tighten up
>>> internal policies and free up more space if there were a fair market
>>> value assigned to their space.
> These strike me as very difficult to determine by anything approaching
> a statistically valid survey. I would want to see a detailed
> methodology proposed before agreeing either that money should be spent
> conducting the survey or that the results would have merit to
> contribute to the policy debate.
>>> - Determine the economic impact. Would resource holders be better off
>>> selling their resources to more affluent companies who would be able
>>> to put the space to better use? Might there be a host of struggling
>>> small businesses who would like to put their /17 - /21 on the balance
>>> sheet? Are there companies that would purchase IPv4 space at a premium
>>> if allowed to do so?
> This would require a cost analysis of a great many factors, only some
> of which have been touched on in the listed survey. Given the abject
> lack of use of cost analysis in the Internet industry, it would
> require at least three independent cost analyses and considerable
> subsequent debate on and validation of the methodologies...
> Start here: http://www.sceaonline.net/
> Disclaimer: my father is a crotchety old cost analyst so I get a
> regular earful about this stuff.
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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It would make sense that the survey be mostly qualitative. I should
not have proposed trying to specifically quantify this data. It would
be sufficient enough to asks respondents to mark somewhere on a scale
of "Strongly Disagree" to "Strongly Agree" on a variety of statements.

Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team
jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net | http://www.blacklotus.net
Black Lotus Communications - AS32421
First and Leading in DDoS Protection Solutions

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