[arin-ppml] New Entrants shut out? (Was: ARIN-2011-5: ... - Last Call

Jeffrey Lyon jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net
Fri Apr 29 19:04:42 EDT 2011

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
> On 4/29/2011 2:40 PM, David Farmer wrote:
>> I am curious about this following comment, could you please expand on it.
>> On 4/29/11 12:48 CDT, Ray Hunter wrote:
>>> Meanwhile new entrants to the ISP market are effectively shut out, due
>>> to the "last /8" allocation policy for IPv4 addresses coming into effect
>>> in the ARIN region.
>> Are you suggesting the lack of ARIN having a Last /8 austerity policy
>> similar to APNIC, assigning a small block to each organization out of
>> the last /8, effectively shuts out new entrants?
>> Or, that there is something additionally discriminatory against new
>> entrants was added to ARIN's policies as part of ARIN's IPv4 run-out
>> strategy?
>> In other words are you saying;
>> The ARIN policy community fail to take an actions that resulted in
>> effectively shutting out new entrants?
>> Or, the ARIN policy community took a direct action that resulted in
>> effectively shutting out new entrants?
> For starters I question why we should even care - many industries
> have "effectively shut out new entrants".  Go try becoming a new
> oil company and see how far you get.
> The shortage of IPv4 is going to "shut out" new ISP entrants post-RIR
> runout, until IPv6 gets good penetration.  This is unavoidable.  It is
> also going to "shut out" new customers, too.
> The North American region has a growing population.  Even if Internet
> connectivity penetration into that population did not increase, and
> remained at a fixed percentage of population, sheer population growth
> will force the IPv6 issue no matter how much old IPv4 gets dug up
> from whatever dusty corners it's in.
> In the meantime, during the time period that IPv4 is "out" yet IPv4
> still remains the dominant method of connection to the Internet, then
> yes, new ISP entrants will be "shut out"  This will not last - but
> wanna-be ISPs should probably shelve their business plans for another
> decade and go find something else to do until the issue sorts itself out.
> Ted
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This is true, unless we embrace a free market.

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