[arin-ppml] Internet 101: Collaboration (was - Microsoft receives court approval for transfer as agreed with ARIN)

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Fri Apr 29 18:22:16 EDT 2011

On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:50 PM, David Conrad wrote:
> Sure, but from the perspective of the vast majority of legacy holders, why bother wasting the resources (time, money, people) on seeing how many addresses can be configured on the head of a pin?  It only becomes an issue if ARIN gets in the way.  When that occurs (e.g., ARIN refuses to recognize a sale), there would appear to be a number of options:

Someone can claim they've "sold" something to someone, but there's 
no delivery until there's a valid transfer request to be processed 
at ARIN.  Isn't telling someone otherwise rather misleading?

Remember: ARIN "gets in the way" because the community has directed
us to implement these policies.  

> 1) spend resources (time, money, people) on joining the ARIN debating and fine lunch and dinner club with uncertain prospects for positive outcomes

That's called participation in the policy development process, 
and that is an essential principle of the system.

> 2) spend resources (time, money, people) on suing ARIN with uncertain (but higher probability based on the two existing precedents) for positive outcomes

Actually, I'm quite certain of the results based on history. 
Until there's a request that meets the community developed 
policy, we do not change the registry.  Neither of the past
cases resulted in an order to update the registry. 

> 3) find an alternative registry, pay the no-strings-attached fixed fee, and be done with it.

Definitely doesn't result in a transfer, so I'm not sure what
what you'd be paying for...  Isn't this similar to 419 scam?

The vast majority of legacy holders don't participate because
they've never had any real reason to do so.  Many of those who
become aware of ARIN have joined under the LRSA, and actually
we're now seeing them doing transfers quite successfully.  

For those who are aware of ARIN, but don't want to participate 
in policy development, I'd recommend monetization according to 
existing community policy. For those that want different policies,
then participation in the policy development process is obviously
the next step.


John Curran
President and CEO

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