[arin-ppml] Microsoft receives court approval for transfer as agreed with ARIN

Frank Bulk frnkblk at iname.com
Fri Apr 29 17:25:55 EDT 2011

To clear, I'm not advocating an open transfer policy along the lines of
Jimmy Hess' proposal.  My point was that there's risk in making the transfer
process less attractive to "I don't care for ARIN" entities than it already
is.  If all the ISPs were on board with ARIN and contractually agreed to
route only those netblocks that were properly registered I think there would
be a path towards making the transfer process more needs-based and
strenuous, but there's a very real tension between ISPs, ARIN registration
services, and netblock users that if ARIN policy developed by the community
deviates too far from the majority that the other two actors will go around
the ARIN process from time to time.


-----Original Message-----
From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:11 PM
To: frnkblk at iname.com
Cc: 'Jimmy Hess'; ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Microsoft receives court approval for transfer as
agreed with ARIN

Respectfully, I disagree. I think that allowing ARIN to be held hostage to
demands of a few vocal profiteers who are more interested in profits than
allowing the community to preserve stewardship is contrary to the good of
the internet. The reality is that the number of buyers who will be willing
purchase addresses without the ability to insure that they are properly
registered with ARIN is likely to be limited. Sellers will do what they have
to in order to monetize their addresses. The trick here is to make sure that
we don't adopt policies which cause ISPs to start disregarding the RIR
whois databases as an authoritative resource for legitimate address

Moving to a completely open transfer policy (ala APNIC's choice) is
an almost certain path to increased disruption and reduced value of the
stewardship role that ARIN plays.


On Apr 29, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:

> Jimmy:
> The approach you're suggesting will only encourage more IP holders in
> region not to use ARIN's transfer policy.
> Frank
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysidia at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:02 AM
> To: John Curran
> Cc: <frnkblk at iname.com>; <ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Microsoft receives court approval for transfer as
> agreed with ARIN
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:19 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:
> [snip]
>> However, there already has been a policy experience report that
>> includes 8.3 considerations that was given in San Juan, and it
>> is clear that we're going to be running in many parties who only
>> are aware of the community transfer policies after they've "made
>> a sale".  Hence, my comment that "If more than a handful actually
> Hm... I suggest ARIN revise the 8.3 transfer policy to make it clear
> and require an unconditional release of addresses to ARIN first.
> Then a resource review of the recipient will be conducted, and they
> will be required
> to sign the regular RSA to obtain the addresses.  There should also be
> a limitation
> of _how often_ an organization is allowed to receive addresses by
> Say a 5-6 month waiting period.    If  the exact number of addresses
> they are allowed
> to transfer is a 12-month supply,  then a 4-5 month waiting period between
> receiving 8.3 transfer addresses should not be a burden.
> If the recipient of addresses happens to not be eligible to receive
> the addresses,
> then ARIN should waitlist the addresses, and immediately provide them to
> someone
> who is eligible.
> Rationale:   If you are willing to dispose of addresses by specified
> transfer,
> that is de facto evidence your organization no longer needs those IP
> addresses.
> A failed 8.3 transfer should not result in the addresses reverting to
> the organization
> initiating the transfer
> --
> -JH
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