[arin-ppml] Hijackings

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Thu Apr 28 15:46:20 EDT 2011

On 4/28/2011 12:07 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> In message<9511.1304008691 at marajade.sandelman.ca>,
> Michael Richardson<mcr at sandelman.ca>  wrote:
>>>>>>> "Ronald" == Ronald F Guilmette<rfg at tristatelogic.com>  writes:
>>     Ronald>  I do not "complain" to ISPs or NSPs anymore.  One third of
>>     Ronald>  the time their contact e-mail addresses (including those in
>>     Ronald>  ARIN WHOIS records) are non- deliverable.  Of the remaining
>>     Ronald>  ones, my own ad hoc empirical studies suggest that 90+% of
>>     Ronald>  them are either actually or effectively aliased to /dev/null
>>     Ronald>  (except for .edu stuff, where they actually have warm bodies
>>     Ronald>  paying attention).
>> +1
>> +12 on trying to use the phone.
>> I think it would be useful if ARIN had a closed email system that
>> provided a POP/IMAP mailbox (and SMTP submit port) for every POC.
>> Closed, meaning it won't send email outside of it (except, perhaps to
>> other RIRs systems).   If you aren't a POC, then you have no business
>> talking to other POCs, to keep out the spam.  This would be a small
>> admission that Internet email via MX is dead (and I hate that idea), but
>> it would make life easier.
> You comments assume that spam is what causes contact e-mail addresses
> to be virtually or actually aliases to /dev/null.
> That may be true in some cases, but my guess is that in the vast majority
> of cases POCcontact at some.place.tld isn't going to any live humans simply
> because the bean counters and the Golden Slacks types have taken over
> the world, and reading POC e-mail has been determined not to represent a
> profit center, and that thus, dealing with that e-mail has been pushed down
> to the lowest level of the work priority queue.

The community developed a policy to deal with that.  I was one of the
instigators of it.  ARIN also has a mandate to periodically report the
progress made on this.  I may criticize ARIN for many things but this
is one thing where I will say your going to just have to give it more time.

Many bogus e-mail addresses have already been identified and corrected.
For the ones that are not responding, the policy directs ARIN to 
invalidate the POC.  Once all POC's associated with an address resource
have been invalidated, then the holder is in violation of the RSA and
ARIN can sue them in civil court or more likely simply delist the
resource. If the resource is a Legacy one then I believe the Legacy 
owner is also in violation of the original agreement where they got
the addresses, which also required them to supply valid whois data.

ARIN may need prodding to get the abandoned resources reallocated
but once they run out of virgin IPv4 then the abandoned blocks are
the only place left they can get IPv4 to satisfy requests for more,
so I think as time passes you will see a lot more interest from them
in these blocks.


> Regards,
> rfg
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