[arin-ppml] Staff proposing policy.

Frank Bulk frnkblk at iname.com
Thu Apr 28 12:54:24 EDT 2011

I'd rather not have ARIN staff suggest policies as that may remove some of
the incentive for the community to tackle the opportunities and problems.

John's idea about more specific suggestions in quarterly reports would
provide a formal process of feedback but still operate arms-length from the


-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
Behalf Of Kevin Kargel
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:56 AM
To: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Staff proposing policy.

To my mind the staff already has a vehicle to initiate policy - we the

I would see no problem with staff openly explaining a problem on PPML and
also suggesting a policy (change) to resolve the problem.  If it was a
reasonable idea at all I am sure one of the community members would pick up
that ball and run with it.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Leo Bicknell
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:22 AM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: [arin-ppml] Staff proposing policy.
> Since ARIN's inception Staff has been prevented from making any
> policy proposals.  The problem with this is that Staff often sees
> aspects of the policy that the community will never see.  Recent
> threads about the Microsoft-Nortel deal recognize that much information
> is provided under NDA.
> It would be nice to fix the NDA issue, but I don't think that will
> ever happen competely even if the rules are eased.  As a result
> staff can't come forward and say "here's an example of how things
> are broken", lay it all out, and let the community fix it.
> Today what happens is staff generally holds in any advice they could
> give as a result, but from time to time will produce some public
> information in a "Experience Report", or may find Members of the
> AC during private meetings and strongly suggest the AC look into a
> policy area (wink wink, nod nod, it would really help a lot).
> Neither of these are optimal.
> To me the answer is simple.  ARIN Staff should be able to propose
> policy.  Note that doesn't mean there couldn't still be restrictions,
> I'm not advocating any staff be able to do it at any time.  I just
> think that if ARIN staff has found an area for improvement and they
> get internal agreement they should be able to drop a policy propsoal
> in the process like any other community member advocating a change.
> I think there would be very little chance of abuse, since the policy
> would go through the PDP, and still need community support and be
> evaluated by the AC.  However, it would allow the staff to stand
> up and say things like "we find regulation abcd is vague, and so
> we actually use standards 1, 2, or 3 and would like to replace abcd
> in policy with 1 2 and 3 so the policy is more clear."
> To me it is a way to increase transparency by allowing staff to
> bring problems and direct suggestions to the table while not having
> to mess with NDA's and the potential publication of customer
> confidential data.
> Now, as far as I know there is nothing in the PDP that prevents staff
> from submitting proposals.  We don't need a policy proposal to make
> this happen.  All that needs to happen if the community wants this
> sort of action is for us to make it clear, so ARIN can change it's
> internal rules on how employees interact with the community.
> --
>        Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440
>         PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/
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