[arin-ppml] Hijackings

Skeeve Stevens Skeeve at eintellego.net
Wed Apr 27 00:14:50 EDT 2011

I completely understand this posters experiences with the exact same thing
happening here in Australia and the region.

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On 27/04/11 12:03 PM, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote:

>In message <4DB731AA.4080009 at ipinc.net>,
>Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
>>But if {hijacking} IS happening, and the originating AS isn't supposed
>>to be
>>announcing those blocks, according to WHOIS, then you should be able
>>to complain to the next hop AS admins of the hijacker and get them
>>shut down.
>I do not "complain" to ISPs or NSPs anymore.  One third of the time their
>contact e-mail addresses (including those in ARIN WHOIS records) are non-
>deliverable.  Of the remaining ones, my own ad hoc empirical studies
>suggest that 90+% of them are either actually or effectively aliased to
>/dev/null (except for .edu stuff, where they actually have warm bodies
>paying attention).
>Trying to make contact via telephone has proven even less fruitful, in
>general.  After wading through agonizingly slow menu trees I am usually
>directed, after a long hold-time wait (accompanied by elevator music),
>to a first level customer support tecnician who informs me that unless
>I can give her my customer number, she is not allowed to talk to me.
>I suppose that if I was really motivated I could try snail-mail and/or
>pony express, but I am fresh out of quill pens. :-(
>On the rare occasions when I am actually able to make contact with anyone
>who is even capable of comprehending what I am trying to say, I am usually
>told that if I have iron clad PROOF that the block in question is being
>hijacked AND if and only if I am the rightful owner of the block in
>then and only then I should have my lawyer contact their lawyers next
>(and otherwise I can go pound sand).
>You said:
>>... if {hijacking} IS happening... then you should be able
>>to complain to the next hop AS admins...
>I think the operative word there is "should", as in "in an ideal world".
>Anyway, none of this is at all relevant to my proposal.  Hijacking does
>happen and is happening.  In some cases, appropriate people inside of
>major NSPs read about it, e.g. on NANOG, and _then_ they do something
>about it.
>The proposal I proposed would create a deterrent for people and companies
>that are contemplating the idea of performing hijackings.
>The idea is to prevent hijackings from occuring, not merely to clean up
>after they have already happened.
>At present, there would seem to be no deterrent at all to this sort of
>behavior.  And yet some people scratch their heads and wonder why this
>keeps on happening, over and over again.
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