[arin-ppml] [arin-council] AC Role in Petitions

Charles O'Hern charles at office.tcsn.net
Tue Apr 19 16:45:13 EDT 2011

On 4/17/11 12:50 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Charles O'Hern <charles at office.tcsn.net> wrote:
>> On 4/14/11 9:29 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
>>> Is this AC rule even valid?
>> The PDP doesn't seem to include (I couldn't find mention of) a rule to limit the AC's ability to create rules for the members of the AC.
> I would suggest certainly rules the AC creates for their own members can't
> change the PDP itself, unless the AC has authority to change or override
> the PDP, without the BoT's approval,  which  (last I checked), the AC cannot
> change the PDP in any way.
> That is, if the AC creates a rule that AC members shouldn't weigh in
> or be counted
> on petitions,  that's not part of the PDP, and  if an AC member
> deliberately breaks
> the AC rule  and files a response to support a petition,
> The member's response _must_  still be counted,  despite them breaking the
> internal AC rule,  and AC has no authority to stop  their response to
> the petition
> being properly counted,  after they made it.
> It would then be up to the AC to execute (internally) any warranted actions or
> penalties against their member that violates the AC's rules for members,
> if they should choose to do so,  and if they have authority to enforce
> their rule.
> If not, then the AC body can express their displeasure,  but  cannot change how
> petitions are counted,   without the BoT approving of their rule by accepting
> revision to the PDP itself.....
> --
> -JH

Yes, I agree completely!

Perhaps its trivial, but my point was that since the NRPM doesn't say anything about internal AC rules for its members, community statements of the validity of them are moot.  The
AC could pass a rule that its members must sport a pink Mohawk to all future meetings, and neither I nor policy care.

But those rules are also moot for the execution of policy.  We do have to consider that voiced opinions of support for a policy to be votes supporting the policy as per NRPM.

How the AC responds to a member of the AC violating its rules is a matter for the AC.  And while I don't see that the AC has any means to express its collective displeasure, I'm
humored by some imaginary imagery on that point.

Charles O'Hern
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